{"conversationCode":"038-023","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-023","startDateTime":"1973-04-14T15:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-14T16:30:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Apr-1973","startTime":"10:50 AM","endDate":"14-Apr-1973","endTime":"11:30 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ehrlichman, John D.; Dean, John W., III; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 14, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman, John W. Dean, III, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:30 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-023 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-23\n\nDate: April 14, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 10:50 am and 11:30 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nJohn D. Ehrlichman talked with John W. Dean, III.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 428-19D]\n\n     Dean’s call to Ehrlichman\n\n     New developments\n\n     Dean’s meeting with Ehrlichman\n\nThe President can be heard in the background, conferring with an unknown person.\n\n[Begin conferral]\n\n     Charles W. Colson\n\n[End conferral]\n\f                                             -16-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["038-023.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ehrlichman, John D.","Dean, John W., III","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"038-022","nextCode":"038-024","transcript":[{"start":0.74,"end":1.8,"text":"Hi, John Ehrlichman."},{"start":1.82,"end":2.52,"text":"Hello, John Ehrlichman."},{"start":3.3,"end":3.78,"text":"Did you call me?"},{"start":4.62,"end":8.47,"text":"Yeah, I just was calling to tell you I was in and if you wanted to chat this morning, I was available."},{"start":8.63,"end":9.03,"text":"Okay."},{"start":9.97,"end":11.35,"text":"Anything new?"},{"start":11.37,"end":13.6,"text":"Beyond our last conversation?"},{"start":14.24,"end":18.94,"text":"Just some more brooding and some things I think you might want to put in the computer."},{"start":19.26,"end":20.97,"text":"Can you give them to me now?"},{"start":21.85,"end":23.73,"text":"I've got some folks over here now."},{"start":23.75,"end":23.99,"text":"Okay."},{"start":24.33,"end":25.75,"text":"I'll see you in a little while then."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"John W. Dean III contacted John D. Ehrlichman to signal his availability for a private meeting to discuss emerging developments related to the Watergate investigation. Dean indicated he had additional information, described as 'more brooding,' that he wanted to relay to Ehrlichman for internal consideration. The two agreed to defer the substantive discussion until they could meet in person away from Dean's current visitors.","topics":["Watergate investigation","John Dean","John Ehrlichman","White House legal strategy","Internal communications"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:29:38.033Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-investigation","john-dean","john-ehrlichman","white-house-legal-strategy","internal-communications"],"audioDurationSec":33,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-023.mp3","bytes":1073152,"durationSec":33.41,"bitrate":256939,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:42.436Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-023.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-023","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-023","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}