{"conversationCode":"038-025","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-025","startDateTime":"1973-04-14T16:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-14T16:34:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:33 AM","endDate":"14-Apr-1973","endTime":"11:34 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On April 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone from 11:33 am to 11:34 am. 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Keyes\n                 -Rescheduling\n           -National Security Matters\n           White House correspondents’ dinner\n           -Garden tour\n\f                                             -17-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["038-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"038-024","nextCode":"038-026","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":2.01,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.65,"end":6.77,"text":"Let the keys not to stand by."},{"start":6.99,"end":8.86,"text":"I'm going to be tied up here for a while."},{"start":9.58,"end":11.66,"text":"And I'll try to reach him this afternoon."},{"start":11.68,"end":12.66,"text":"He'll be around today, won't he?"},{"start":12.68,"end":12.86,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":12.9,"end":13.74,"text":"He'll be around."},{"start":13.78,"end":14.86,"text":"He's here right now, sir."},{"start":15.38,"end":22.69,"text":"Tell him that I got tied up here in national security matters and I can't take off and have lunch and all that sort of thing."},{"start":22.71,"end":24.87,"text":"And maybe sometime this afternoon we can get together at"},{"start":25.51,"end":30.48,"text":"Or better still, I'll tell you what I'd like to do."},{"start":32.52,"end":38.87,"text":"Why doesn't he come to the White House after the White House correspondence thing and I can chat with him a little over there?"},{"start":39.35,"end":40.49,"text":"After the correspondence thing?"},{"start":40.55,"end":42.03,"text":"After this garden tour?"},{"start":44.71,"end":45.4,"text":"The garden tour?"},{"start":46.9,"end":47.7,"text":"After the correspondence."},{"start":47.72,"end":51.08,"text":"You mean late tonight, sir?"},{"start":52.21,"end":54.05,"text":"Oh, I guess that's going to be too late."},{"start":54.07,"end":58.28,"text":"I mean, the garden tour, we could have a little time, and we'll see."},{"start":58.82,"end":60.2,"text":"Okay, after the garden tour, maybe."},{"start":60.22,"end":61.52,"text":"The garden tour is 2 o'clock now."},{"start":61.56,"end":64.47,"text":"It'll be about 2 o'clock, maybe five minutes or two."},{"start":64.55,"end":65.15,"text":"I'll be over there."},{"start":65.51,"end":65.61,"text":"Bye."},{"start":72.09,"end":72.17,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed Stephen B. 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