{"conversationCode":"038-029","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":29,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-029","startDateTime":"1973-04-14T21:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-14T21:59:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Apr-1973","startTime":"4:58 PM","endDate":"14-Apr-1973","endTime":"4:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On April 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 4:58 pm to 4:59 pm. 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(“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 428-27]\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Work on remarks\n           -Dinner\n\n     Garden tour\n          -Number of attendees\n                -Children\n                -Blacks\n                -Greetings for President\n\n     Dwight David Eisenhower, II and Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n         -White House Correspondents’ dinner\n               -President’s schedule","filename":["038-029.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"038-028","nextCode":"038-030","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":0.75,"text":"Hi."},{"start":1.53,"end":6.49,"text":"Oh, Pat, I wanted to tell you that I have to do a little more work over here."},{"start":6.93,"end":10,"text":"I'm not going to speak long, but I've got to do some work on my remarks."},{"start":11.04,"end":13.79,"text":"I'm just going to stay here and eat a bite because I don't want to eat much."},{"start":13.85,"end":17.29,"text":"So would you go ahead and have something to eat there?"},{"start":17.31,"end":17.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":17.49,"end":18.43,"text":"How'd the thing go today?"},{"start":18.89,"end":20.59,"text":"Oh, my gosh, they're still piling through."},{"start":20.61,"end":20.71,"text":"Good."},{"start":21.76,"end":22.72,"text":"By the thousands."},{"start":22.88,"end":25.26,"text":"You know, it's funny, those little blackheads, they're so uncommunicated."},{"start":25.48,"end":27.9,"text":"Well, but these were better than most."},{"start":27.92,"end":28.68,"text":"Did you know that?"},{"start":28.72,"end":29.1,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":29.12,"end":30.3,"text":"They were all dressed up and everything."},{"start":30.41,"end":31.85,"text":"Yeah, they were nicely dressed."},{"start":31.87,"end":32.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":32.11,"end":34.81,"text":"Well, you've got to give it back, though, you know."},{"start":34.85,"end":36.61,"text":"Yeah, well, with you, I think it was a little different."},{"start":36.63,"end":37.78,"text":"They were better, you know."},{"start":37.92,"end":38.56,"text":"I see."},{"start":38.58,"end":39.24,"text":"They were kind of."},{"start":39.26,"end":40.5,"text":"Well, they were overcome a bit."},{"start":40.52,"end":40.72,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":42,"end":42.78,"text":"It worked real well."},{"start":42.8,"end":45.01,"text":"Did they think it was a success, the people that were there?"},{"start":45.27,"end":46.97,"text":"Oh, my gosh, I'll say."},{"start":48.05,"end":49.49,"text":"Lots of people coming through, huh?"},{"start":49.51,"end":50.62,"text":"Oh, they're still coming through."},{"start":50.66,"end":51.2,"text":"Wonderful."},{"start":51.38,"end":51.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":51.64,"end":52.5,"text":"Wonderful."},{"start":53.47,"end":56.34,"text":"David and Julie are going over to the dinner, aren't they?"},{"start":56.36,"end":56.5,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":56.52,"end":61.58,"text":"We go at 8.45, so you get a bite now, and I'll get a bite about 6.30."},{"start":62,"end":62.42,"text":"Okay."},{"start":62.96,"end":64.33,"text":"Okay, good."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed their respective evening schedules and the success of the ongoing White House garden tour. Pat Nixon reported a high volume of positive attendee engagement, particularly noting the demeanor of the guests, while the President coordinated a meal plan due to his need to continue drafting remarks. They concluded by confirming logistics for David and Julie Eisenhower's attendance at the upcoming White House Correspondents’ dinner.","topics":["Pat Nixon","White House Garden Tour","Presidential Schedule","White House Correspondents' Dinner","Julie Eisenhower"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:30:10.803Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","white-house-garden-tour","presidential-schedule","white-house-correspondents-dinner","julie-eisenhower"],"audioDurationSec":70,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-029.mp3","bytes":2256896,"durationSec":70.39,"bitrate":256514,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-029.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-029","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-029","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}