{"conversationCode":"038-038","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-038","startDateTime":"1973-04-15T05:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-15T06:01:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Apr-1973","startTime":"12:45 AM","endDate":"15-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:01 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 15, 1973, White House operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:45 am and 1:01 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-38\n\nDate: April 15, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 12:45 am and 1:01 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\f                                               -24-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 38-38 (cont’d)\n\nThe White House operator talked with the President.\n\n     Ronald L. Ziegler’s call to President","filename":["038-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"038-037","nextCode":"038-039","transcript":[{"start":2.65,"end":5.51,"text":"Sir, did you call operator?"},{"start":5.53,"end":6.32,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":6.42,"end":8.94,"text":"Mr. President, Mr. Zegler returned here to call me."},{"start":8.96,"end":9.76,"text":"I get him for you."},{"start":9.98,"end":17.18,"text":"Yes, thank you, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed the White House operator to connect him with Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler. The call served as a brief logistical exchange to facilitate direct communication between the President and his press secretary. No substantive policy matters were discussed during this initial operator-assisted connection.","topics":["Ronald L. Ziegler","White House operations","Presidential communication","Press Secretary"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:31:02.616Z"},"topicSlugs":["ronald-l-ziegler","white-house-operations","presidential-communication","press-secretary"],"audioDurationSec":17,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-038.mp3","bytes":552960,"durationSec":17.17,"bitrate":257590,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:42.438Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}