{"conversationCode":"038-041","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":41,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-041","startDateTime":"1973-04-15T18:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-15T19:22:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Apr-1973","startTime":"1:12 PM","endDate":"15-Apr-1973","endTime":"2:22 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Lugar, Richard G.; Petersen, Henry E.;","description":"On April 15, 1973, Richard G. Lugar and Henry E. Petersen talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:12 pm and 2:22 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-041 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-41\n\nDate: April 15, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 1:12 pm and 2:22 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nRichard G. Kleindienst talked with Henry E. Petersen.\n\n     Petersen’s schedule\n           -Location\n           -Time\n           -Dress\n           -Arrival","filename":["038-041.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Lugar, Richard G.","Petersen, Henry E."],"prevCode":"038-040","nextCode":"038-042","transcript":[{"start":0.99,"end":2.12,"text":"Mr. Peterson."},{"start":2.28,"end":2.42,"text":"Yes."},{"start":2.88,"end":3.1,"text":"Pardon?"},{"start":3.88,"end":3.96,"text":"Yes."},{"start":3.98,"end":6.06,"text":"Can you come down to the office?"},{"start":7.31,"end":11.1,"text":"I'll be there in about five or ten minutes, so I'll just wait for you at my office."},{"start":11.16,"end":11.74,"text":"I have to dress?"},{"start":12.28,"end":12.7,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":12.72,"end":13.36,"text":"Do I have to dress?"},{"start":13.38,"end":13.88,"text":"No, no you don't."},{"start":14.08,"end":15.03,"text":"Okay."},{"start":15.06,"end":17.91,"text":"And come up to the private elevator and I'll have my back door open."},{"start":18.15,"end":19.19,"text":"Okay, you're right there."},{"start":19.21,"end":19.57,"text":"Okay, buddy."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Richard G. Kleindienst and Assistant Attorney General Henry E. Petersen coordinated a brief, urgent meeting to be held at Kleindienst's office. The conversation focused on logistics for Petersen’s arrival, including instructions for him to use a private elevator and a secure entrance. No substantive policy matters were discussed, as the call was exclusively intended to facilitate a private, immediate administrative consultation.","topics":["Logistics","Richard G. Kleindienst","Henry E. Petersen","Department of Justice","Administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:31:21.418Z"},"topicSlugs":["logistics","richard-g-kleindienst","henry-e-petersen","department-of-justice","administration"],"audioDurationSec":27,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-041.mp3","bytes":864256,"durationSec":26.92,"bitrate":256836,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-041.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-041","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-041","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}