{"conversationCode":"038-045","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":45,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-045","startDateTime":"1973-04-15T20:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-15T20:49:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Apr-1973","startTime":"3:48 PM","endDate":"15-Apr-1973","endTime":"3:49 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kleindienst, Richard G.;","description":"On April 15, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Richard G. Kleindienst talked on the telephone from 3:48 pm to 3:49 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-045 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-45\n\nDate: April 15, 1973\nTime: 3:48 pm - 3:49 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Richard G. Kleindienst.\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared Richard Nixon’s Special\nWhite House Counsel for Watergate Matters and submitted to the Committee on the Judiciary of\nthe House of Representatives. This transcript can be found in Submission of Recorded\nPresidential Conversations (SRPC), pages 760 (1). Please refer to the logging below.]\n\n     President’s meeting with Kleindienst\n           -Henry E. Petersen","filename":["038-045.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kleindienst, Richard G."],"prevCode":"038-044","nextCode":"038-046","transcript":[{"start":0.6,"end":1.09,"text":"Yeah?"},{"start":1.19,"end":3.88,"text":"Hello, Mr. President?"},{"start":3.94,"end":4.46,"text":"Hi, Dick."},{"start":4.48,"end":5.88,"text":"May I bring Henry Peterson with me?"},{"start":7.41,"end":9.84,"text":"Yeah, I want to ask him to do something."},{"start":10.56,"end":11.62,"text":"I'll be over there in a couple minutes."},{"start":12.56,"end":13.04,"text":"All right, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon arranges a meeting with Attorney General Richard G. Kleindienst to discuss specific instructions for Assistant Attorney General Henry E. Petersen. Kleindienst requests permission to bring Petersen along to the White House for this briefing. The conversation serves as a brief logistical coordination to facilitate direct communication between the President and the lead investigator regarding the Watergate matter.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Henry E. Petersen","Richard G. Kleindienst","Executive authority","Legal investigations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:31:43.678Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","henry-e-petersen","richard-g-kleindienst","executive-authority","legal-investigations"],"audioDurationSec":20,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-045.mp3","bytes":638976,"durationSec":19.84,"bitrate":257651,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-045.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-045","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-045","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}