{"conversationCode":"038-061","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":61,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-061","startDateTime":"1973-04-16T03:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-16T04:15:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Apr-1973","startTime":"10:16 PM","endDate":"15-Apr-1973","endTime":"11:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ehrlichman, John D.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 15, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:16 pm and 11:15 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-061 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-61\n\nDate: April 15, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 10:16 pm and 11:15 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nJohn D. Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator. the President can be heard in the\nbackground.\n\n     Telephone call to L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III","filename":["038-061.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ehrlichman, John D.","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"038-060","nextCode":"038-062","transcript":[{"start":0.44,"end":5.88,"text":"Would you get Director Gray of the FBI at home, please?"},{"start":5.94,"end":13.65,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"John D. Ehrlichman requests that the White House operator facilitate a call to FBI Director L. Patrick Gray III at his private residence. President Nixon is audible in the background during this coordination effort. This outreach indicates an attempt to establish direct communication with the FBI leadership during the escalating Watergate investigation.","topics":["L. Patrick Gray III","FBI","Watergate scandal","White House communications"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:33:15.225Z"},"topicSlugs":["l-patrick-gray-iii","fbi","watergate-scandal","white-house-communications"],"audioDurationSec":14,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-061.mp3","bytes":440320,"durationSec":13.61,"bitrate":258758,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-061.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-061","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-061","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}