{"conversationCode":"038-081","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":81,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-081","startDateTime":"1973-04-17T01:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-17T01:58:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Apr-1973","startTime":"8:45 PM","endDate":"16-Apr-1973","endTime":"8:58 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 16, 1973, White House operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:45 pm and 8:58 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-081 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-81\n\nDate: April 16, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:45 pm and 8:58 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe White House operator talked with the President.\n\n     Henry E. Petersen’s location\n          Peter G. Petersen\n                Bermuda","filename":["038-081.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"038-080","nextCode":"038-082","transcript":[{"start":0.44,"end":1.36,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.38,"end":3.86,"text":"Secretary Peterson is on vacation in Bermuda."},{"start":3.88,"end":5.09,"text":"Do you want me to reach him?"},{"start":5.11,"end":5.35,"text":"No, no."},{"start":5.47,"end":8.49,"text":"I'm not Secretary Peterson."},{"start":8.52,"end":13.63,"text":"It's Assistant Attorney General Henry Peterson."},{"start":13.65,"end":14.43,"text":"Oh, Henry Peterson."},{"start":14.45,"end":14.65,"text":"All right."},{"start":14.71,"end":21.36,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with a White House operator to clarify the location and identity of Henry E. Petersen, the Assistant Attorney General. After briefly confusing him with Secretary of Commerce Peter G. Petersen, who was currently vacationing in Bermuda, the President confirmed that he did not wish to initiate a call at that time. The exchange served as a logistical verification to ensure the President reached the correct official regarding pending legal matters.","topics":["Henry E. Petersen","Peter G. Petersen","White House communications","Department of Justice","Watergate investigation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:35:00.494Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-e-petersen","peter-g-petersen","white-house-communications","department-of-justice","watergate-investigation"],"audioDurationSec":21,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-081.mp3","bytes":686080,"durationSec":21.33,"bitrate":257280,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-081.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-081","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-081","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}