{"conversationCode":"038-087","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":87,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-087","startDateTime":"1973-04-17T20:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-17T21:35:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Apr-1973","startTime":"3:50 PM","endDate":"17-Apr-1973","endTime":"4:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ehrlichman, John D.; White House operator;","description":"On April 17, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:50 pm and 4:35 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-087 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-87\n\nDate: April 17, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 3:50 pm and 4:35 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nJohn D. Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator\n\n[See also Conversation No. 898-23A]\n\n     Telephone call to William E. Timmons","filename":["038-087.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ehrlichman, John D.","White House operator"],"prevCode":"038-086","nextCode":"038-088","transcript":[{"start":0.52,"end":4.07,"text":"This is John Erlichman for Bill Timmons."},{"start":4.08,"end":23.99,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":24.01,"end":24.87,"text":"No, I guess not."},{"start":47.97,"end":48.27,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"John D. Ehrlichman initiates a request through the White House operator to reach William E. Timmons, then serving as an assistant to the President for legislative affairs. The brief exchange serves as a logistical attempt to establish contact with Timmons to discuss pressing administrative or legislative matters. No substantive policy decisions or developments occur as the connection fails to materialize during this specific call.","topics":["John D. Ehrlichman","William E. Timmons","White House operations","Legislative affairs","Communications"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:35:35.105Z"},"topicSlugs":["john-d-ehrlichman","william-e-timmons","white-house-operations","legislative-affairs","communications"],"audioDurationSec":48,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-087.mp3","bytes":1546240,"durationSec":48.21,"bitrate":256566,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-087.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-087","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-087","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}