{"conversationCode":"038-089","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":89,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-089","startDateTime":"1973-04-17T22:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-17T23:17:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Apr-1973","startTime":"5:03 PM","endDate":"17-Apr-1973","endTime":"6:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On April 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:03 pm and 6:17 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-089 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-89\n\nDate: April 17, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 5:03 pm and 6:17 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     Telephone call to Ronald L. Ziegler","filename":["038-089.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"038-088","nextCode":"038-090","transcript":[{"start":2.7,"end":11.21,"text":"Yes, ma'am."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon utilized the White House operator to place a telephone call to Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler. The brief interaction served as a logistical bridge to initiate direct communication with his primary spokesperson during a period of intense public scrutiny. No further substantive policy matters were discussed in this exchange.","topics":["Ronald L. Ziegler","White House operations","Communication","Press relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:35:45.856Z"},"topicSlugs":["ronald-l-ziegler","white-house-operations","communication","press-relations"],"audioDurationSec":11,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-089.mp3","bytes":360448,"durationSec":11.16,"bitrate":258385,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-089.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-089","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-089","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}