{"conversationCode":"038-097","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":97,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-097","startDateTime":"1973-04-18T17:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-18T17:21:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Apr-1973","startTime":"12:20 PM","endDate":"18-Apr-1973","endTime":"12:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President);","description":"On April 18, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew talked on the telephone from 12:20 pm to 12:21 pm. 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Javits\n\n     -Effect on US relations with Soviet Union\n           Arms control\n\n     -Public relations\n           Agnew’s role\n           American Jews","filename":["038-097.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President)"],"prevCode":"038-096","nextCode":"038-098","transcript":[{"start":0.5,"end":1.38,"text":"Nope."},{"start":1.4,"end":2.77,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":2.79,"end":2.85,"text":"Hi."},{"start":3.09,"end":4.91,"text":"I don't want to... That's all right."},{"start":4.95,"end":6.91,"text":"I know you've got to catch a plane."},{"start":6.93,"end":8.9,"text":"I wanted to say this to you."},{"start":8.92,"end":19.23,"text":"I did not enter that discussion because I didn't think it would be at all productive, but I was pretty shocked about the whole stance those people took."},{"start":19.43,"end":26,"text":"Particularly, well, our guys were all right, but my God, the attitude of Jackson and of"},{"start":25.98,"end":33.78,"text":"Rivikov and Javits was unbelievable, particularly after I had laid it out there."},{"start":34.82,"end":37.74,"text":"They're taking in their hands, and that's what you ought to tell them."},{"start":38.66,"end":47.44,"text":"These Jewish people here, by God, if they want to make America's whole foreign policy and disarmament a hostage to Jewish immigration to the Soviet Union,"},{"start":47.62,"end":49.82,"text":"That's a terrible burden for them to take."},{"start":49.84,"end":50.7,"text":"That's a terrible burden."},{"start":50.72,"end":55.37,"text":"What I wanted to say to you is that I feel so strongly about this."},{"start":55.51,"end":60.63,"text":"I think that you may have to take it ultimately to the American people and have other issues."},{"start":60.81,"end":67.44,"text":"And if you decide to do that, I will be glad to carry it through this political consideration tonight."},{"start":67.46,"end":67.58,"text":"Sure."},{"start":67.6,"end":68.6,"text":"To hell with the political consideration."},{"start":68.62,"end":75.33,"text":"I think the American people, I mean, here are some of the Jews who picket and raise hell, but the American people are not going to..."},{"start":75.31,"end":77.06,"text":"Let them destroy our foreign policy."},{"start":77.08,"end":77.66,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":77.68,"end":77.9,"text":"Never."},{"start":78.06,"end":81.23,"text":"But please call on me if you want to take it."},{"start":81.27,"end":81.85,"text":"All right."},{"start":81.87,"end":82.39,"text":"When we're ready."},{"start":82.61,"end":82.87,"text":"All right."},{"start":82.89,"end":83.21,"text":"We're ready."},{"start":83.51,"end":84.08,"text":"Have a good trip."},{"start":84.28,"end":86.18,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Vice President Agnew discussed a contentious meeting with congressional leaders regarding Soviet Jewry and its impact on U.S.-Soviet relations. Agnew expressed shock at the confrontational stance taken by Senators Jackson, Ribicoff, and Javits, arguing that linking Jewish emigration to arms control policy was an unreasonable burden. They collectively agreed that such tactics threatened foreign policy, and Agnew offered to publicly champion the administration’s position should the President choose to take the issue to the American people.","topics":["Soviet Jewry","Foreign policy","Arms control","Congressional relations","Henry M. Jackson","Emigration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:36:31.508Z"},"topicSlugs":["soviet-jewry","foreign-policy","arms-control","congressional-relations","henry-m-jackson","emigration"],"audioDurationSec":91,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-097.mp3","bytes":2916352,"durationSec":91.03,"bitrate":256307,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-097.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-097","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-097","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}