{"conversationCode":"038-106","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":106,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-106","startDateTime":"1973-04-19T17:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-19T17:48:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Apr-1973","startTime":"12:29 PM","endDate":"19-Apr-1973","endTime":"12:48 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ziegler, Ronald L.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 19, 1973, Ronald L. Ziegler, White House operator, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:29 pm and 12:48 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-106 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-106\n\nDate: April 19, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 12:29 pm and 12:48 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nRonald L. Ziegler talked with the White House operator. The President can be heard in the\nbackground.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 902-5A]\n\n     Telephone call to John W. Dean, III\n\n     Ziegler’s location\n\n     Dean’s location","filename":["038-106.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ziegler, Ronald L.","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"038-105","nextCode":"038-107","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":4.33,"text":"Operator?"},{"start":4.65,"end":5.09,"text":"Yes, sir?"},{"start":5.11,"end":6.46,"text":"This is Ron Ziegler."},{"start":6.48,"end":11.77,"text":"Would you reach John Dean for me, indicating that I'm calling from my office, please?"},{"start":12.22,"end":12.98,"text":"From your office?"},{"start":13.28,"end":13.58,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":13.6,"end":14.56,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":31.3,"end":37.38,"text":"Yes, this is Ziegler."},{"start":37.4,"end":39.53,"text":"Call me back on this line when you get him on the line."},{"start":39.55,"end":40.49,"text":"OK, he's coming right on."},{"start":40.53,"end":41.19,"text":"Oh, he's coming on."},{"start":41.21,"end":41.83,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Ronald L. Ziegler requested that the White House operator connect him to John W. Dean, III, to facilitate a direct communication between the two men. President Nixon was present in the background during the initiation of this call. The primary action taken was the administrative coordination required to reach Dean via telephone.","topics":["John W. Dean III","Ronald L. Ziegler","White House communications","Watergate aftermath"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:37:22.216Z"},"topicSlugs":["john-w-dean-iii","ronald-l-ziegler","white-house-communications","watergate-aftermath"],"audioDurationSec":77,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-106.mp3","bytes":2457600,"durationSec":76.72,"bitrate":256266,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-106.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-106","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-106","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}