{"conversationCode":"038-113","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":113,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-113","startDateTime":"1973-04-19T18:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-19T18:50:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Apr-1973","startTime":"1:48 PM","endDate":"19-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 19, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 1:48 pm to 1:50 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-113 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-113\n\nDate: April 19, 1973\nTime: 1:48 pm - 1:50 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 429-6]\n\n     Watergate\n          -Ehrlichman’s investigation\n                -Sworn statements from White House staff\n                     -John W. Dean, III","filename":["038-113.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"038-112","nextCode":"038-114","transcript":[{"start":0.5,"end":1.44,"text":"Oh, yes, sir."},{"start":1.99,"end":2.37,"text":"Hi, John."},{"start":2.38,"end":5.87,"text":"Not to bother you with any positive point that could be made."},{"start":5.89,"end":7.31,"text":"No, if you don't mind."},{"start":9.37,"end":22.69,"text":"Is it that the Ehrlichman investigation at my direction, with your complete concurrence, that the president has in hand sworn statements from every member of the White House staff that they were not involved in this goddamn thing?"},{"start":22.71,"end":23.93,"text":"Did Dean sign one?"},{"start":24.17,"end":24.41,"text":"No."},{"start":24.43,"end":25.17,"text":"No, we stopped that."},{"start":25.19,"end":26.77,"text":"Do you remember after Ron fucked you?"},{"start":26.79,"end":26.95,"text":"Oh, God."},{"start":27.25,"end":27.45,"text":"All right."},{"start":27.49,"end":28.57,"text":"We didn't go forward with that."},{"start":28.98,"end":29.94,"text":"Oh, that's too bad."},{"start":30.2,"end":32.37,"text":"And, uh, um..."},{"start":32.39,"end":33.77,"text":"So we don't have any complaint on that?"},{"start":33.79,"end":34.69,"text":"No, we do not."},{"start":35.29,"end":35.49,"text":"All right."},{"start":35.51,"end":35.91,"text":"We do not."},{"start":36.1,"end":37.74,"text":"We just have a lot of, uh... All right."},{"start":37.76,"end":39.16,"text":"A lot of people remember what he said."},{"start":39.46,"end":39.96,"text":"Okay."},{"start":39.98,"end":40.73,"text":"Fine."},{"start":40.74,"end":41.97,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman discuss the status of internal White House investigations into the Watergate scandal. The conversation focuses on whether members of the staff had provided sworn statements regarding their lack of involvement, specifically noting that John Dean had not signed such a statement. They conclude that the effort to secure these affidavits was ultimately abandoned, leaving the administration without formal documentation from all staff members.","topics":["Watergate","John W. Dean III","Internal investigations","Affidavits","White House staff"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:38:00.824Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","john-w-dean-iii","internal-investigations","affidavits","white-house-staff"],"audioDurationSec":50,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-113.mp3","bytes":1607680,"durationSec":50.11,"bitrate":256681,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-113.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-113","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-113","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}