{"conversationCode":"038-132","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":132,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-132","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T02:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T02:19:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Apr-1973","startTime":"9:05 PM","endDate":"24-Apr-1973","endTime":"9:19 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On April 24, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:05 pm and 9:19 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-132 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-132\n\nDate: April 24, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 9:05 pm and 9:19 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     Telephone call to Ronald L. Ziegler\n\f                                               -75-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["038-132.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"038-131","nextCode":"038-133","transcript":[{"start":0.44,"end":5.75,"text":"Mr. Secret, please."},{"start":5.77,"end":10.7,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiates a brief telephone request through the White House operator to reach Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler. The call serves as a logistical bridge to establish communication with his primary spokesperson during a period of intense scrutiny. No substantive policy discussions occur, as the exchange is limited to the successful facilitation of the connection.","topics":["Ronald L. Ziegler","White House communications","Press Secretary","Presidential logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:39:44.049Z"},"topicSlugs":["ronald-l-ziegler","white-house-communications","press-secretary","presidential-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":11,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-132.mp3","bytes":344064,"durationSec":10.65,"bitrate":258370,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:42.450Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-132.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-132","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-132","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}