{"conversationCode":"038-138","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":138,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-138","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T16:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T18:51:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:06 AM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ehrlichman, John D.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 25, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-138 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-138\n\nDate: April 25, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nJohn D. Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator.\n\f                                             -78-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 38-138 (cont’d)\n\n[See also Conversation No. 430-4A]\n\n     Telephone call to Geoffrey C. Shepard","filename":["038-138.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ehrlichman, John D.","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"038-137","nextCode":"038-139","transcript":[{"start":0.45,"end":4.87,"text":"This is John Ehrlichman, would you give me Jeff Shepard please?"},{"start":4.89,"end":5.65,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":31.98,"end":32.35,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"John D. Ehrlichman initiates a telephone call to the White House operator to facilitate a connection with Geoffrey C. Shepard. The conversation serves primarily as a logistical administrative step to establish communication between Ehrlichman and Shepard. No substantive policy matters or decisions are discussed during this brief exchange.","topics":["Geoffrey C. Shepard","John D. Ehrlichman","Administration","Communication"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:40:17.938Z"},"topicSlugs":["geoffrey-c-shepard","john-d-ehrlichman","administration","communication"],"audioDurationSec":32,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-138.mp3","bytes":1036288,"durationSec":32.31,"bitrate":256612,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:42.451Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-138.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-138","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-138","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}