{"conversationCode":"038-139","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":139,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-139","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T16:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T18:51:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:06 AM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ehrlichman, John D.; Shepard, Geoffrey C.;","description":"On April 25, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman and Geoffrey C. Shepard talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm. 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Howard Hunt, Jr. documents\n          -Chicago Tribune’s call to Walter Minnick\n          Sheppard’s identity\n                -George Lincoln\n                     -Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP]\n                -George\n          -Wolf","filename":["038-139.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ehrlichman, John D.","Shepard, Geoffrey C."],"prevCode":"038-138","nextCode":"038-140","transcript":[{"start":1.23,"end":1.59,"text":"Jeff?"},{"start":1.75,"end":2.15,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.17,"end":3.11,"text":"John Arkham."},{"start":3.13,"end":3.83,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.85,"end":10.96,"text":"Have you got any connection with this Peter Wolfe problem and these cases of documents?"},{"start":11.56,"end":12.08,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":12.26,"end":14.48,"text":"I'm not familiar with that at all."},{"start":14.56,"end":17.13,"text":"I don't know Wolfe or documents or anything."},{"start":17.37,"end":17.83,"text":"Okay."},{"start":18.05,"end":19.75,"text":"Absolutely no knowledge whatsoever."},{"start":19.77,"end":21.59,"text":"And you haven't been approached by anybody about it?"},{"start":22.11,"end":30.66,"text":"No, but I do know that Walter Minnick was called by the Chicago Tribune and asked if he was the guy Wolfe was representing."},{"start":31.69,"end":33.21,"text":"But then he isn't."},{"start":33.87,"end":35.07,"text":"No, he certainly is not."},{"start":35.43,"end":39.76,"text":"The reason I'm calling you is that I was given to understand it was somebody named Shepard."},{"start":41.62,"end":45.66,"text":"And so I thought of you because I don't know any other Shepard."},{"start":45.68,"end":52.67,"text":"There used to be a Shepard right across the street here at the committee."},{"start":53.17,"end":53.61,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":54.59,"end":57.36,"text":"The George Lincoln's group."},{"start":57.54,"end":58.28,"text":"Oh, it would be?"},{"start":58.36,"end":59.86,"text":"Yeah, but he wouldn't be connected on."},{"start":59.92,"end":60.22,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":60.24,"end":61.54,"text":"What was his first name here?"},{"start":61.93,"end":63.66,"text":"I think it was George, sir."},{"start":63.68,"end":64.76,"text":"Okay."},{"start":64.78,"end":66.39,"text":"But I... You don't know Peter Wolfe?"},{"start":66.73,"end":67.21,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":67.55,"end":68.32,"text":"Okay, thank you."},{"start":68.42,"end":75.35,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"John D. Ehrlichman contacted Geoffrey C. Shepard to determine if Shepard had any involvement with attorney Peter Wolf or a sensitive collection of documents related to E. Howard Hunt, Jr. Shepard denied any knowledge of the documents or personal connection to Wolf, clarifying that he was not the individual identified in a recent Chicago Tribune inquiry regarding Walter Minnick. The conversation concluded with Ehrlichman attempting to identify a different Shepard formerly associated with George Lincoln's group at the Office of Emergency Preparedness.","topics":["Watergate","Peter Wolf","E. 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