{"conversationCode":"038-141","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":141,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-141","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T16:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T18:51:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:06 AM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Bull, Stephen B.; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 25, 1973, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, President Richard M. Nixon, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-141 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-141\n\nDate: April 25, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nH. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with an unknown woman. The President and John D.\nEhlrichman can be heard in the background.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 430-4E]\n\n     Telephone call to Stephen B. Bull\n\nHaldeman talked with Bull at an unknown time.\n\n     Watergate\n          -Request for March 10-23, 1973 tapes \n\n               -Packaging       \n\n               -Machine","filename":["038-141.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Bull, Stephen B.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"038-140","nextCode":"038-143","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":1.4,"text":"Mr. Boll's office."},{"start":2.02,"end":3.36,"text":"Alderman, may I speak to Steve, please?"},{"start":3.38,"end":25.54,"text":"One moment, sir."},{"start":26.46,"end":26.8,"text":"Steve Boll."},{"start":27.06,"end":27.74,"text":"Hi, Steve."},{"start":29.08,"end":29.48,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":29.78,"end":41.49,"text":"go to the guy you talked to on that stuff and, uh, out of the file, have him deliver to you the material for the period from March 10th to March 23rd."},{"start":41.61,"end":45.8,"text":"Okay, you know what I'm talking about?"},{"start":45.82,"end":46.06,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":47.28,"end":48.94,"text":"Telephone, get the whole shot."},{"start":50.98,"end":54.91,"text":"And, uh, have them put it in a suitcase or something."},{"start":54.93,"end":58.81,"text":"I don't know what form it's in, but put it in some kind of bag so it isn't"},{"start":59.57,"end":61.31,"text":"Yes."},{"start":61.33,"end":69.38,"text":"And have them bring it to you and also get a machine that is technically capable of listening to it."},{"start":69.4,"end":69.68,"text":"Fine."},{"start":69.92,"end":74.73,"text":"The smallest and most simple search machine."},{"start":74.75,"end":75.35,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":75.41,"end":76.79,"text":"We'll need stereo at living."},{"start":77.15,"end":79.61,"text":"I'll tell you when I have it then."},{"start":79.63,"end":79.97,"text":"All right."},{"start":79.99,"end":81.14,"text":"Do it as quickly as possible."},{"start":81.44,"end":82.02,"text":"Do it right now."},{"start":82.06,"end":82.5,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":82.52,"end":82.96,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. R. Haldeman, with President Nixon and John Ehrlichman present, directed Stephen Bull to urgently secure and transport recordings from the March 10–23, 1973 period. Haldeman instructed Bull to gather all relevant material and ensure it was placed in a secure container for delivery. Additionally, Bull was tasked with procuring a simple, functional playback device capable of handling the tapes, emphasizing the need for immediate action.","topics":["Watergate scandal","White House tapes","Evidence management","H. R. Haldeman","Stephen Bull"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:40:35.755Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","white-house-tapes","evidence-management","h-r-haldeman","stephen-bull"],"audioDurationSec":89,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-141.mp3","bytes":2867200,"durationSec":89.47,"bitrate":256381,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-141.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-141","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-141","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}