{"conversationCode":"038-143","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":143,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-143","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T16:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T18:51:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:06 AM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); White House operator; [Unknown person(s)]; Ehrlichman, John D.; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 25, 1973, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, White House operator, unknown person(s), John D. Ehrlichman, President Richard M. Nixon, and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm. 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Ehrlichman can be heard in the background.\n\n     Bull’s location\n           Rose Mary Woods\n\nHaldeman conferred with the President and Ehrlichman at an unknown time.\n\n[Begin conferral]\n\n[See Conversation No. 430-4]\n\n[End conferral]\n\nHaldeman talked with Bull at an unknown time.\n\n     Watergate\n          -Tapes\n               -Delivery\n               -Preparation\n               -Instructions\n\f                                             -81-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["038-143.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","White House operator","[Unknown person(s)]","Ehrlichman, John D.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"038-141","nextCode":"038-144","transcript":[{"start":0.45,"end":2.66,"text":"Yes, please."},{"start":13.43,"end":13.57,"text":"Please."},{"start":13.59,"end":14.43,"text":"Moon's office."},{"start":14.45,"end":15.82,"text":"Is Bob Lundeman, is he there?"},{"start":15.84,"end":16.14,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":16.22,"end":16.86,"text":"One moment."},{"start":36.38,"end":40.77,"text":"He's in with Ms. Woods."},{"start":40.79,"end":42.57,"text":"Shall I have him come out?"},{"start":43.29,"end":48.54,"text":"I need to speak to him about that."},{"start":48.56,"end":62.32,"text":"About 45 days after the burn."},{"start":69.15,"end":75.46,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":75.48,"end":75.9,"text":"How you doing?"},{"start":76.16,"end":76.92,"text":"Hasn't arrived yet."},{"start":76.96,"end":78.64,"text":"It should be here just moments early."},{"start":80.98,"end":81.24,"text":"Okay."},{"start":81.26,"end":86.19,"text":"Why don't you just call over and just have Sally come in and tell me Steve's ready."},{"start":86.73,"end":87.37,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":88.27,"end":90.07,"text":"Okay, and I just called them a few minutes ago."},{"start":90.65,"end":91.51,"text":"Don't push it."},{"start":92.19,"end":92.77,"text":"It's fine."},{"start":92.79,"end":93.72,"text":"Just when you get it."},{"start":93.73,"end":94.17,"text":"Alright, fine."},{"start":95.38,"end":96.78,"text":"When you have it, just have her"},{"start":97.33,"end":98.47,"text":"No, it's hanging already."},{"start":98.49,"end":99.83,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":99.85,"end":99.95,"text":"Okay."},{"start":99.97,"end":100.17,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. 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