{"conversationCode":"038-145","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":145,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-145","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T20:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T20:16:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"3:14 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"3:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kleindienst, Richard G.;","description":"On April 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Richard G. Kleindienst talked on the telephone from 3:14 pm to 3:16 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-145 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-145\n\nDate: April 25, 1973\nTime: 3:14 pm - 3:16 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Richard G. Kleindienst.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 430-12]\n\n     President’s schedule\n           Request for meeting\n\n     Watergate\n          -John W. Dean, III’s statements to Earl J. Silbert\n                -Daniel Ellsberg case","filename":["038-145.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kleindienst, Richard G."],"prevCode":"038-144","nextCode":"038-146","transcript":[{"start":0.86,"end":1.84,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.3,"end":3.52,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.68,"end":4.14,"text":"Hello, Dick."},{"start":4.32,"end":4.64,"text":"Yes."},{"start":5.04,"end":5.16,"text":"Hi."},{"start":5.4,"end":6.34,"text":"Oh, is this the President?"},{"start":6.37,"end":6.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6.67,"end":7.33,"text":"Hi, Mr. President."},{"start":7.47,"end":8.21,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":8.23,"end":9.45,"text":"I've got to see you right away."},{"start":9.75,"end":9.91,"text":"Why?"},{"start":9.93,"end":17.66,"text":"It came to my attention this morning the implications of Dean's statement to Silbert with respect to the Ellsberg case."},{"start":19.04,"end":23.83,"text":"I think just as a matter of law, we've got to do something, and I've got to talk to you about it."},{"start":23.85,"end":24.13,"text":"All right."},{"start":24.15,"end":24.75,"text":"Come right over."},{"start":24.77,"end":25.31,"text":"Yeah, come over now."},{"start":25.55,"end":25.83,"text":"All right."},{"start":25.85,"end":28.38,"text":"Do you want me to bring Peterson, or should I come by myself?"},{"start":28.41,"end":28.88,"text":"By yourself."},{"start":29.2,"end":29.72,"text":"All right, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Attorney General Richard G. Kleindienst urgently requested an immediate meeting with President Nixon to discuss the legal implications of John W. Dean III’s recent statements to prosecutor Earl J. Silbert regarding the Daniel Ellsberg case. Kleindienst emphasized that the gravity of the situation required prompt action and legal consultation. The President instructed Kleindienst to report to the White House alone to address the matter.","topics":["Watergate","John W. Dean III","Daniel Ellsberg","Richard G. Kleindienst","Legal ethics","Department of Justice"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:40:52.391Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","john-w-dean-iii","daniel-ellsberg","richard-g-kleindienst","legal-ethics","department-of-justice"],"audioDurationSec":38,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-145.mp3","bytes":1204224,"durationSec":37.56,"bitrate":256490,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-145.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-145","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-145","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}