{"conversationCode":"038-146","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":146,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-146","startDateTime":"1973-04-25T21:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-25T21:26:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"4:25 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"4:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Higby, Lawrence M.;","description":"On April 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Lawrence M. Higby talked on the telephone from 4:25 pm to 4:26 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-146 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-146\n\nDate: April 25, 1973\nTime: 4:25 pm -4:26 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\f                                             -82-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 38-146 (cont’d)\n\nThe President talked with Lawrence M. Higby.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 430-20]\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Meeting with unknown man\n                 -Estimated time","filename":["038-146.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Higby, Lawrence M."],"prevCode":"038-145","nextCode":"038-147","transcript":[{"start":0.99,"end":2.06,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.08,"end":3.68,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":3.7,"end":4.82,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.84,"end":6.76,"text":"Mr. Higdon?"},{"start":6.79,"end":6.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6.91,"end":7.19,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":9.69,"end":9.89,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":10.45,"end":10.57,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":10.59,"end":11.72,"text":"He said about another ten minutes."},{"start":12.8,"end":19.69,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Lawrence M. Higby spoke briefly to coordinate the President's upcoming schedule. Higby provided a status update regarding a meeting with an unidentified individual, informing the President that the participant would arrive in approximately ten minutes. This communication served to manage the timing and logistical flow of Nixon's late afternoon appointments.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Logistics","White House appointments","Lawrence M. Higby"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:40:57.733Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","logistics","white-house-appointments","lawrence-m-higby"],"audioDurationSec":20,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-146.mp3","bytes":632832,"durationSec":19.69,"bitrate":257074,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:42.451Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-146.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-146","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-146","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}