{"conversationCode":"038-160","tapeNumber":38,"conversationNumber":160,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-038-160","startDateTime":"1973-04-26T01:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-26T02:07:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"8:23 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"9:07 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On April 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:23 pm and 9:07 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-160 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 38-160\n\nDate: April 25, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:23 pm and 9:07 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House oerator.\n\n     Telephone call to Ronald L. Ziegler","filename":["038-160.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"038-159","nextCode":"038-161","transcript":[{"start":2.54,"end":11.8,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon utilized the White House operator to place a telephone call to Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler. This interaction served as an administrative bridge to establish communication with a key advisor during the ongoing political developments of the Watergate scandal. No substantive policy discussions were recorded, as the conversation was limited to the technical facilitation of the connection.","topics":["Ronald L. Ziegler","White House operations","Presidential communication","Watergate","Telephone protocol"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T05:42:17.009Z"},"topicSlugs":["ronald-l-ziegler","white-house-operations","presidential-communication","watergate","telephone-protocol"],"audioDurationSec":12,"audioFiles":[{"file":"038-160.mp3","bytes":380928,"durationSec":11.76,"bitrate":259134,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.070Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/038-160.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-160","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/38/conversation-038-160","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}