{"conversationCode":"039-039","tapeNumber":39,"conversationNumber":39,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-039-039","startDateTime":"1973-06-03T22:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-03T22:41:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Jun-1973","startTime":"6:40 PM","endDate":"3-Jun-1973","endTime":"6:41 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 3, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 6:40 pm to 6:41 pm. 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Fred Buzhardt, Jr.\n                           -Meetings between President, Dean, and Moore\n\f                                             -36-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["039-039.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"039-038","nextCode":"039-040","transcript":[{"start":0.86,"end":7.42,"text":"Ron, I forgot to mention, have you been in touch with or are you in touch with Dick Moore at all on this stuff?"},{"start":7.9,"end":11.17,"text":"Yes, he was in Connecticut over the weekend."},{"start":11.19,"end":13.15,"text":"I talked to him once in Connecticut."},{"start":13.17,"end":13.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":14.01,"end":30.86,"text":"And the thing is that on these meetings that we had, he was in about half a dozen of them, and he is quite aware of what the situation is."},{"start":31.39,"end":34.75,"text":"I think you should sit down with him and try to go over it chapter and verse."},{"start":34.85,"end":35.67,"text":"Would you do that?"},{"start":35.69,"end":36.39,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":36.69,"end":37.59,"text":"They plan on doing that."},{"start":38.07,"end":40.59,"text":"Well, I don't—I think—who's going to do it?"},{"start":40.61,"end":41.38,"text":"You mean Buzard?"},{"start":41.45,"end":41.62,"text":"Right."},{"start":42.46,"end":43.04,"text":"Well, that's all right."},{"start":43.6,"end":43.76,"text":"Fine."},{"start":44.4,"end":55.59,"text":"They're going to sit down with Moore and, like, for example, Moore would be able to knock down any ideas that Dean was directed to, you know, carry out aspects of a cover-up or something."},{"start":55.61,"end":55.83,"text":"Right."},{"start":55.89,"end":58.41,"text":"Because he knows goddamn well, I mean, that that didn't happen."},{"start":58.43,"end":58.79,"text":"That's right."},{"start":59.67,"end":61.93,"text":"because Maura was there, you know, and we discussed things."},{"start":61.97,"end":64.86,"text":"But try to get his views out, if you would."},{"start":65.22,"end":65.78,"text":"Right, Dave."},{"start":65.8,"end":66.36,"text":"We're going to."},{"start":66.97,"end":67.23,"text":"All right."},{"start":67.25,"end":70.76,"text":"Thank you, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directs Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler to coordinate with Richard Moore regarding the details of past meetings involving John Dean. Nixon emphasizes that Moore’s participation in these discussions will serve to refute allegations that Dean was ordered to execute a cover-up. Ziegler confirms that he and J. Fred Buzhardt will meet with Moore to thoroughly review the record and establish a consistent narrative.","topics":["Watergate","John W. Dean III","Richard A. Moore","J. 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