{"conversationCode":"039-096","tapeNumber":39,"conversationNumber":96,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-039-096","startDateTime":"1973-06-05T21:27:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-05T21:29:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Jun-1973","startTime":"5:27 PM","endDate":"5-Jun-1973","endTime":"5:29 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Timmons, William E.; Buzhardt, J. Fred, Jr.;","description":"On June 5, 1973, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, William E. Timmons, and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. talked on the telephone from 5:27 pm to 5:29 pm. 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Korologos\n             -Timmons’ assessment\n                    -Compared to daily interaction with Congressional leaders\n                            -President’s role\n             -President’s appreciation\n                    -Timmons, Korologos, and Congressional relations staff\n\nThe President conferred with J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. at 5:29 pm.\n\n[Begin conferral]\n\n[See Conversation No. 441-23]\n\n[End conferral]\n\f                                              -76-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                     (rev. February-2011)","filename":["039-096.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Timmons, William E.","Buzhardt, J. Fred, Jr."],"prevCode":"039-095","nextCode":"039-097","transcript":[{"start":0.81,"end":4.89,"text":"Mr. President, I just talked to Jerry Ford."},{"start":4.92,"end":8,"text":"He said that he was very pleased with that meeting this morning."},{"start":8.46,"end":15.68,"text":"And he told me that in his talk afterwards with you that maybe that the boys were sort of being critical of your operation."},{"start":16.03,"end":22.07,"text":"What I was doing, trying to do, Bill, was to sort of make it appear that you and all the other guys, my golly, we're, you know, we're rooting around there."},{"start":22.52,"end":27.08,"text":"I know that every paper that comes in, heck, there wasn't a thing they mentioned you haven't done."},{"start":27.84,"end":28,"text":"No."},{"start":28.1,"end":28.8,"text":"Not one thing?"},{"start":28.82,"end":30.73,"text":"Yeah, I thought it was a waste of your time, frankly."},{"start":30.98,"end":32.63,"text":"Well, no, I'm talking about that kind of stuff."},{"start":32.65,"end":34.85,"text":"But, you know, Bill, that's what they want to talk about."},{"start":34.93,"end":35.37,"text":"I know."},{"start":35.47,"end":40.42,"text":"And so don't you worry about a waste of my time, but I just wanted you to be sure that you and Carl Lucas and the rest of it"},{"start":40.92,"end":44.91,"text":"I was perfectly aware of the fact, you know, I had to be the devil's advocate just a little bit."},{"start":44.93,"end":45.35,"text":"Yeah, I know."},{"start":45.37,"end":47.13,"text":"I really thought it went pretty good."},{"start":47.35,"end":49.13,"text":"Well, they were expecting a lot worse, frankly."},{"start":49.23,"end":50.9,"text":"Of course, we'd get it every day, you know."},{"start":50.92,"end":52.38,"text":"I know."},{"start":52.4,"end":52.7,"text":"It's a shame."},{"start":52.72,"end":55.33,"text":"I just didn't want them to do that with you."},{"start":55.35,"end":56.53,"text":"Well, don't you worry about that."},{"start":57.49,"end":59.44,"text":"Tell the boys I appreciate what they're doing, okay?"},{"start":59.45,"end":59.66,"text":"Great."},{"start":59.86,"end":60.28,"text":"Come in, Fred."},{"start":60.52,"end":61.46,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with William E. Timmons to discuss the effectiveness of a recent meeting with Republican Congressional leadership. Nixon explained that his earlier critical stance toward Timmons and his staff was a deliberate tactical move to address the concerns of Congressional members. The President expressed his full appreciation for the hard work of Timmons, Thomas C. Korologos, and the Congressional relations team, instructing Timmons to relay this gratitude to his staff.","topics":["Congressional relations","Republican leadership","William E. Timmons","Gerald R. 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