{"conversationCode":"039-102","tapeNumber":39,"conversationNumber":102,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-039-102","startDateTime":"1973-06-06T15:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-06T15:35:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Jun-1973","startTime":"11:11 AM","endDate":"6-Jun-1973","endTime":"11:35 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Meany, George; Laird, Melvin R.;","description":"On June 6, 1973, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, George Meany, and Melvin R. Laird talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:11 am and 11:35 am. 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Laird\n\n       Golf\n\f                                               -79-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 39-100 (cont’d)\n\n               -Meany’s health\n\nLaird talked with Meany\n\n       Laird\n               -Role on White House staff\n                      -Domestic affairs counselor\n                      -Announcement\n               -Possible meeting with Meany\n                      -Meany’s health\n                             -Meany’s daughter\n               -Role on White House staff\n                      -Domestic affairs counselor\n                             -Cost of Living Council [COLC]\n               -Possible meeting with Meany\n-                     -Wages and prices\n                      -Forthcoming telephone call","filename":["039-102.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Meany, George","Laird, Melvin R."],"prevCode":"039-101","nextCode":"039-103","transcript":[{"start":0.44,"end":1.08,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.22,"end":1.94,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.96,"end":2.26,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.42,"end":6.79,"text":"Uh, hello, George?"},{"start":6.87,"end":9.59,"text":"No, no, this is, uh, the President."},{"start":9.81,"end":13.16,"text":"Well, I got Mel here, and we have a very good announcement."},{"start":13.18,"end":14.04,"text":"I think you're gonna like it."},{"start":14.69,"end":16.91,"text":"And, uh, I'll put him on."},{"start":16.93,"end":22.36,"text":"How's your golf?"},{"start":22.69,"end":25.54,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":26.08,"end":29.93,"text":"When you get better, we'll get you and Mel, and I'll take a crack at it, okay?"},{"start":30.59,"end":30.67,"text":"Yep."},{"start":30.69,"end":33.25,"text":"Here he is."},{"start":33.27,"end":33.61,"text":"George?"},{"start":33.95,"end":34.37,"text":"Yep."},{"start":34.39,"end":34.69,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":35.09,"end":35.55,"text":"All right, Mel."},{"start":36.03,"end":41.46,"text":"See, I'm coming back to government, and I'm going to be counselor to the president for domestic affairs."},{"start":42.64,"end":46.45,"text":"I wanted to talk to you and let you know before this announcement is made."},{"start":46.55,"end":51.74,"text":"I just felt, you know, better having you know before you picked up and read it someplace."},{"start":52.08,"end":52.18,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":52.83,"end":54.8,"text":"I'd like to come on over and visit with you."},{"start":55.16,"end":55.64,"text":"Okay."},{"start":55.7,"end":59.34,"text":"Well, I've been laid up for the last four or five days."},{"start":59.4,"end":60.93,"text":"I've been home."},{"start":61.05,"end":62.79,"text":"I got to..."},{"start":63.21,"end":65.33,"text":"I was fooling around in the garden."},{"start":65.39,"end":70.52,"text":"I done some lifting and I hurt my tendons in my forearm."},{"start":70.5,"end":74.39,"text":"It's been miserable with pain for the last five or six days."},{"start":74.41,"end":76.11,"text":"Gee, I'm sorry to hear that, George."},{"start":76.13,"end":77.97,"text":"And I'm doctoring it."},{"start":77.99,"end":81.66,"text":"I guess, as you say, you've got to wait what comes around."},{"start":81.68,"end":85.16,"text":"It's one of those, I never knew what this was before."},{"start":85.52,"end":87.47,"text":"I mean, it's something brand new to me."},{"start":87.48,"end":88.71,"text":"Tendinitis is what they call it."},{"start":88.73,"end":93.47,"text":"In other words, the tendons are twisted and sort of inflamed."},{"start":93.73,"end":94.98,"text":"You shouldn't be doing that."},{"start":95,"end":96.76,"text":"No, that's true."},{"start":96.78,"end":99.72,"text":"You ought to get your daughter out there."},{"start":99.74,"end":99.88,"text":"Doing?"},{"start":100.08,"end":102.71,"text":"in the backyard building with cement blocks."},{"start":102.73,"end":106.12,"text":"Listen, Mel, this is—what is this job now?"},{"start":107.29,"end":107.41,"text":"You're"},{"start":107.83,"end":110.01,"text":"Counselor for domestic affairs."},{"start":110.15,"end":111.09,"text":"Domestic affairs."},{"start":111.13,"end":111.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":111.61,"end":114.49,"text":"That includes the cost of living."},{"start":114.89,"end":115.17,"text":"Right."},{"start":115.45,"end":117.76,"text":"All kind of across the board."},{"start":117.82,"end":120.32,"text":"And that's what I want to talk to you about."},{"start":120.42,"end":122.92,"text":"Well, we certainly got something to talk about."},{"start":122.94,"end":128.85,"text":"And I'd like to talk to you about this wage pricing, which is going to be whenever you feel up to it."},{"start":129.19,"end":129.87,"text":"OK, fine."},{"start":129.89,"end":130.45,"text":"I'll call you."},{"start":130.61,"end":131.29,"text":"You call me."},{"start":131.39,"end":131.77,"text":"I'll wait."},{"start":132.11,"end":133.07,"text":"OK. All right, George."},{"start":133.37,"end":133.47,"text":"Fine."},{"start":133.85,"end":134.51,"text":"Good to talk to you."},{"start":134.77,"end":136.55,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Melvin R. Laird called AFL-CIO President George Meany to personally inform him of Laird's appointment as Counselor to the President for Domestic Affairs. During the conversation, Laird clarified that his new role would include overseeing the Cost of Living Council and wage-price policy. The participants agreed to meet once Meany recovered from a recent bout of tendinitis to discuss these economic issues in greater detail.","topics":["Melvin R. 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