{"conversationCode":"039-139","tapeNumber":39,"conversationNumber":139,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-039-139","startDateTime":"1973-06-07T23:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-07T23:33:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Jun-1973","startTime":"7:30 PM","endDate":"7-Jun-1973","endTime":"7:33 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On June 7, 1973, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 7:30 pm to 7:33 pm. 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Kissinger\n             -Paris peace talks\n                     -South Vietnam\n                     -Schedule\n\n       John A. Volpe\n              -Meeting with President\n                     -Helicopter\n                     -Giovanni Battista Motini [Pope Paul VI]’s remarks\n\n       Paris peace talks\n               -Kissinger\n               -Haig’s conversation with Ronald L. Ziegler\n               -Brent G. Scowcroft’s message\n               -South Vietnam’s participation\n                      -Scowcroft’s possible telephone call to Tran Kim Phuong\n                             -Scowcroft’s assessment\n                      -Message to Kissinger\n                      -Haig’s assessment\n                      -Scowcroft’s possible call to Phuong\n                             -US foreign aid\n\f                                              -114-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 39-139 (cont’d)\n\n                                    -Ultimatum","filename":["039-139.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"039-138","nextCode":"039-140","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":1.02,"text":"Yep."},{"start":1.04,"end":1.7,"text":"General Haig, sir."},{"start":1.72,"end":1.9,"text":"Yep."},{"start":3.66,"end":3.98,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":4.62,"end":5,"text":"Hello, Al."},{"start":5.22,"end":5.72,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":7.31,"end":8.93,"text":"I just talked to John."},{"start":8.95,"end":9.39,"text":"John Lee."},{"start":9.69,"end":9.95,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":10.59,"end":12.93,"text":"And he says, great."},{"start":12.95,"end":14.85,"text":"He feels this is the thing to do."},{"start":15.01,"end":15.84,"text":"He wants to freeze?"},{"start":16.21,"end":16.74,"text":"All the way."},{"start":16.76,"end":18.74,"text":"He said you can't do this in a half-assed way."},{"start":18.76,"end":19.28,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":19.36,"end":24.22,"text":"Well, you told him to get some leadership into that group."},{"start":24.36,"end":27.83,"text":"And you told him that the guy could call him and tell him?"},{"start":27.81,"end":30.19,"text":"Well, I think he'd be very grateful if you did."},{"start":30.29,"end":30.61,"text":"All right."},{"start":30.91,"end":31.19,"text":"I'll call him."},{"start":31.41,"end":32.72,"text":"Now, two other things, sir."},{"start":33.72,"end":38.49,"text":"Henry's still stalled out over there on Saigon, and they're going to plug in tomorrow afternoon."},{"start":38.91,"end":39.85,"text":"Will there be nothing tomorrow?"},{"start":40.31,"end":40.53,"text":"No."},{"start":40.73,"end":41.81,"text":"Well, unless it was late."},{"start":42.57,"end":43.09,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":43.13,"end":43.7,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":43.8,"end":45.48,"text":"Let him keep scrambling around."},{"start":45.92,"end":46.4,"text":"Right, sir."},{"start":46.66,"end":52.33,"text":"And then the third thing is, and I just feel obligated to body what it says, Volpeak."},{"start":52.49,"end":62.82,"text":"in town and begged for five minutes even on the helicopter ride to the airport to tell you what the Pope said about you and the country."},{"start":62.84,"end":64.72,"text":"All right."},{"start":64.88,"end":67.35,"text":"I'll do that or I can have him write a note."},{"start":67.77,"end":70.13,"text":"Well, no, he can ride in the helicopter with me."},{"start":70.15,"end":70.89,"text":"Let's do that."},{"start":71.23,"end":71.89,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":71.91,"end":72.83,"text":"I hate to bother you with it."},{"start":72.85,"end":73.19,"text":"No, no."},{"start":73.21,"end":74.88,"text":"That's a good time on the helicopter."},{"start":75.36,"end":79.4,"text":"Let's just say that we're going so early that we can't meet before that."},{"start":79.44,"end":79.98,"text":"That's what I told you."},{"start":80,"end":82.49,"text":"He can ride out to the airport and then the helicopter bring him back."},{"start":82.85,"end":83.19,"text":"Fine."},{"start":83.55,"end":84.13,"text":"Okay, sir."},{"start":85.31,"end":85.47,"text":"Good."},{"start":85.49,"end":86.49,"text":"I'll have him there then."},{"start":86.57,"end":87.21,"text":"How did Henry sound?"},{"start":87.23,"end":87.81,"text":"A little discouraged?"},{"start":89.5,"end":90.74,"text":"No, I didn't talk to Henry."},{"start":90.88,"end":93.46,"text":"I talked to Ron Guzman and Scowcroft."},{"start":93.48,"end":93.84,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":94.04,"end":95.98,"text":"And they have..."},{"start":96.12,"end":98.46,"text":"And if Saigon is still off the reservation?"},{"start":98.78,"end":99.22,"text":"That's right."},{"start":99.76,"end":100.42,"text":"They're still off."},{"start":102.2,"end":104.89,"text":"There's nothing more we can do, is there, Al?"},{"start":104.97,"end":106.01,"text":"No, I don't think so."},{"start":108.39,"end":110.47,"text":"I could call the ambassador here again."},{"start":111.79,"end":115.52,"text":"Scowcroft said he's been pushed as far as he can go, and he knows he's reporting it."},{"start":115.86,"end":116.1,"text":"Yes."},{"start":116.5,"end":117.82,"text":"All the problems in Saigon."},{"start":119.24,"end":125.35,"text":"Well, just be sure that Henry knows that we have to do it."},{"start":125.7,"end":127.1,"text":"do something without Saigon."},{"start":127.14,"end":129.06,"text":"Find a way to do it without Saigon, you know?"},{"start":129.08,"end":129.88,"text":"Right."},{"start":129.9,"end":130.16,"text":"Really."},{"start":130.46,"end":131.5,"text":"That's the thing to do."},{"start":131.6,"end":132.21,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":132.23,"end":133.83,"text":"And let them hang out there."},{"start":135.89,"end":136.01,"text":"Right."},{"start":136.03,"end":137.79,"text":"Well, that's all I can think of."},{"start":138.19,"end":138.59,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":139.47,"end":141.94,"text":"Because we've got to have him come back with something."},{"start":142.74,"end":143.98,"text":"No question about that."},{"start":144.02,"end":145.04,"text":"That's got to be."},{"start":145.12,"end":151.01,"text":"And if Saigon doesn't go a little—gosh, how could you handle it?"},{"start":151.03,"end":152.17,"text":"Do you think of any way you could do it?"},{"start":152.23,"end":152.67,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":153.49,"end":155.28,"text":"Henry's probably thinking of ways."},{"start":155.38,"end":158.2,"text":"Oh, I'm sure he's had it."},{"start":158.22,"end":159.74,"text":"I think we can get them."},{"start":160.88,"end":162.59,"text":"Yes, I think we can get them."},{"start":162.87,"end":166.17,"text":"They're just playing their typical shitty game."},{"start":166.19,"end":174.02,"text":"Well, I think the thing to do is for maybe Scowcroft calls the ambassador and says we're going to go forward in any event."},{"start":174.32,"end":175.36,"text":"They want to be aboard mine."},{"start":175.42,"end":177.45,"text":"If not, they risk their aid."},{"start":177.47,"end":177.85,"text":"Right."},{"start":177.87,"end":178.23,"text":"That's it."},{"start":178.49,"end":178.97,"text":"It's ultimatum."},{"start":179.01,"end":179.85,"text":"That's all you can do."},{"start":179.87,"end":180.53,"text":"Ultimatum."},{"start":180.57,"end":180.73,"text":"Okay."},{"start":180.95,"end":181.99,"text":"Good, sir."},{"start":182.79,"end":182.88,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig discuss an impending economic freeze supported by John Connally and review the progress of Henry Kissinger’s negotiations regarding South Vietnam. 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