{"conversationCode":"040-009","tapeNumber":40,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-040-009","startDateTime":"1973-06-11T18:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-11T18:56:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jun-1973","startTime":"2:55 PM","endDate":"11-Jun-1973","endTime":"2:56 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On June 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 2:55 pm to 2:56 pm. 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Brezhnev’s schedule\n                 -San Clemente\n\f                                             -10-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                       -Security\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as a PRMPA National Security (B) withdrawal.\nWith new guidance it is now categorized as a PRMPA Federal Statute (A). It has been\nrereviewed and cleared for release under PRMPA 09/27/2022.]\n[Federal Statute]\n[040-009-w001]\n[Duration: 2s]\n\n     Kissinger’s conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin\n           -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s schedule\n                 -San Clemente\n                       -Security\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     Kissinger’s conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin\n           -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s schedule\n                 -San Clemente\n                       -Security\n\n     Kissinger’s schedule","filename":["040-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"040-008","nextCode":"040-010","transcript":[{"start":0.49,"end":2.13,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":2.17,"end":3.09,"text":"Still with your guest?"},{"start":3.91,"end":6.99,"text":"That's right, yes, but we've made very good progress."},{"start":7.25,"end":8.12,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":8.7,"end":11.22,"text":"Anything with regard to San Clemente yet?"},{"start":11.24,"end":16.62,"text":"No, he hasn't had an answer on that issue yet."},{"start":17.85,"end":26.59,"text":"You might point out one thing when you're talking to him that what I would have in mind is that he would like is"},{"start":26.93,"end":29.19,"text":"First, it's a totally controlled situation."},{"start":29.21,"end":34.26,"text":"We fly to a base and then go in, and we'll enjoy it tremendously."},{"start":34.28,"end":35.66,"text":"There's no problem."},{"start":35.86,"end":37.48,"text":"Demonstration's even better than the White House."},{"start":38.03,"end":42.19,"text":"The basic problem, as I understand it, is the security problem."},{"start":42.81,"end":44.13,"text":"I've had a very frank talk."},{"start":44.27,"end":44.7,"text":"Security."},{"start":45.44,"end":47.16,"text":"I think that's the major concern."},{"start":47.18,"end":52.07,"text":"Listen, we've got security around there like, you know, all over the place."},{"start":52.09,"end":52.87,"text":"It's on a base."},{"start":52.97,"end":53.61,"text":"That's the point."},{"start":53.85,"end":55.65,"text":"Well, they've looked it over, too."},{"start":55.75,"end":56.63,"text":"They may be concerned."},{"start":57.79,"end":58.55,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":58.77,"end":60.08,"text":"There's no question about that."},{"start":61.68,"end":76.67,"text":"And they've also brought me some information of some plots that they have information of, which I'm going to..."},{"start":76.69,"end":77.21,"text":"It's your life."},{"start":77.49,"end":77.95,"text":"It's your life."},{"start":78.45,"end":81.96,"text":"All of it is a security problem."},{"start":82.18,"end":84.46,"text":"If we have to feel this one, we'll let that out."},{"start":85.5,"end":89.66,"text":"Well, we will have an answer on that tomorrow, Mr. President."},{"start":89.68,"end":90.52,"text":"You leave at 10.30."},{"start":90.56,"end":91.22,"text":"Give you my best."},{"start":91.81,"end":95.42,"text":"I will do that, but everything else is in good shape."},{"start":95.62,"end":95.74,"text":"Good."},{"start":96.22,"end":97.83,"text":"Right, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the logistical and security arrangements for Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev’s upcoming visit to San Clemente. Nixon emphasizes the site's suitability, noting its controlled environment on a military base, while Kissinger highlights the Soviet delegation’s significant concerns regarding security and reported plots. 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