{"conversationCode":"040-017","tapeNumber":40,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-040-017","startDateTime":"1973-06-12T00:56:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-12T01:00:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jun-1973","startTime":"8:56 PM","endDate":"11-Jun-1973","endTime":"9:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\");","description":"On June 11, 1973, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo talked on the telephone from 8:56 pm to 9:00 pm. 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(“Bebe”) Rebozo.\n           -Fred J. Buzhardt’s location\n\nThe President talked with Rebozo between 8:56 pm and 9:00 pm.\n\n     Rebozo’s location\n          -Tupper Lake, New York\n\n     Kenneth Wilfred Gemmill\n          -Meeting with Rebozo\n          -Experience in Dwight D. Eisenhower Administration\n                -Assistant Secretary of the Treasury\n                -Chief Counsel\n                -Advisement to Rebozo\n          -Meeting with Rebozo’s Western friend\n          -Location\n                -Ohio\n          -Rebozo’s confidence in Gemmill\n          -Advice concerning Howard Hughes contribution\n                -Gemmill\n          -Forthcoming meeting with Jesse Calhoun\n                -Talk with Rebozo\n                -Calhoun’s location\n                      -Dayton, Ohio\n                            -Cy Lauder’s Golf Tournament [?]\n          -Meeting with Rebozo\n          -Meeting with Internal Revenue Service [IRS]\n                -Family\n                      -Mrs. Gemmill’s resemblance to Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n          -Ability\n\f                                              -16-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n     Herb [Kalmbach ?]\n\n     President’s greeting to Robert H. Abplanalp\n\n[End WSPF portion]","filename":["040-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\")"],"prevCode":"040-016","nextCode":"040-018","transcript":[{"start":0.55,"end":1.42,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.48,"end":2.06,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":2.54,"end":2.9,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.92,"end":4.36,"text":"I'm ready with Mr. Rebozo."},{"start":4.46,"end":5.06,"text":"Oh, fine."},{"start":5.8,"end":10.39,"text":"And Mr. Bazzard is en route to the residence."},{"start":10.87,"end":12.27,"text":"Fine, he can call."},{"start":12.29,"end":12.51,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12.54,"end":12.73,"text":"All right."},{"start":14.76,"end":15.22,"text":"Ready."},{"start":15.24,"end":15.56,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":15.72,"end":16.4,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":16.42,"end":17.42,"text":"You with our friend?"},{"start":17.44,"end":18.12,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":18.14,"end":19.49,"text":"Where are you?"},{"start":19.57,"end":21.77,"text":"I'm up at Tupper Lake."},{"start":21.79,"end":22.17,"text":"Oh, good."},{"start":22.19,"end":23.57,"text":"A place up here in northern New York."},{"start":23.59,"end":23.75,"text":"Good."},{"start":24.34,"end":26.26,"text":"But I want to tell you that..."},{"start":26.68,"end":55.01,"text":"uh that fellow was great well i i was not where i could talk to you before yeah and i could see you weren't but uh i'm on a white house secure line and so forth and uh give me a little quick rundown he was a he was an assistant secretary of the treasury of eisenhower i see and he was also a chief counsel right and he had one case sometime back somewhere to it without any uh"},{"start":55.57,"end":59.23,"text":"What does he advise?"},{"start":59.25,"end":67.58,"text":"I have arranged, just got through a few minutes ago, to my friend out west to track him down in Ohio."},{"start":67.92,"end":71.74,"text":"And he's coming over tomorrow and meet with him."},{"start":72.6,"end":74.99,"text":"I gave him the phone numbers and everything else."},{"start":75.27,"end":81.25,"text":"And I will touch base again later on at night or in the morning and see if..."},{"start":84.12,"end":88.52,"text":"with him and get all of that side of it."},{"start":88.54,"end":88.92,"text":"Right."},{"start":89,"end":93.35,"text":"But he, I want to tell you, I don't think we could have anybody better."},{"start":94.25,"end":96.93,"text":"He's a power of strength, and he's a bright fellow."},{"start":97.33,"end":98.78,"text":"He understands the whole damn thing."},{"start":98.8,"end":100.8,"text":"The whole damn thing, yeah, the whole thing."},{"start":100.82,"end":102.32,"text":"He thinks it can be handled?"},{"start":103.08,"end":109.71,"text":"Actually, the advice he gave was identical to Bill's."},{"start":109.73,"end":110.45,"text":"Get it back."},{"start":110.95,"end":111.73,"text":"Yep, yep."},{"start":115.86,"end":119.03,"text":"But he also went a step farther in about..."},{"start":121.61,"end":124.53,"text":"Suppose that Calhoun won't take it."},{"start":124.59,"end":127.42,"text":"Calhoun's got to."},{"start":127.44,"end":128.38,"text":"We've almost got to."},{"start":129.2,"end":129.74,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":129.76,"end":132.06,"text":"I talked to Calhoun tonight, a little while ago."},{"start":132.08,"end":132.2,"text":"Right."},{"start":132.84,"end":138.67,"text":"I didn't tell him what I was going to do, but I got him to see this fellow tomorrow."},{"start":138.75,"end":140.15,"text":"I gave him his home phone number."},{"start":140.17,"end":141.42,"text":"He's going to be calling him tonight."},{"start":143.4,"end":143.52,"text":"Right."},{"start":143.9,"end":145.04,"text":"And he's up in Dayton."},{"start":146.49,"end":149.63,"text":"It's High Lauder's golf tour."},{"start":149.65,"end":150.65,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":150.67,"end":153.42,"text":"So he's got to play tomorrow, and then he'll go on over tomorrow afternoon."},{"start":154.28,"end":158.9,"text":"And I'll know either tonight or the first thing in the morning whether I should meet them again or not."},{"start":159.02,"end":160.72,"text":"But I'm so pleased."},{"start":160.78,"end":163.09,"text":"I can't tell you how pleased I am that I came up."},{"start":163.83,"end":164.69,"text":"I'm impressed I am."},{"start":165.09,"end":165.21,"text":"Right."},{"start":165.23,"end":167.61,"text":"Suppose the guy won't take it, then what's the other?"},{"start":168.25,"end":168.89,"text":"Oh, he will?"},{"start":168.91,"end":169.23,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":169.71,"end":170.03,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":170.05,"end":171.39,"text":"There's no problem there."},{"start":171.41,"end":175.74,"text":"What we want to do is be sure that it's clearly identified in the appropriate fashion."},{"start":176.14,"end":177.82,"text":"He understood all that, yeah."},{"start":177.84,"end":179.73,"text":"Oh, I should say he didn't completely agree."},{"start":180.95,"end":181.29,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":181.35,"end":183.36,"text":"He doesn't think... Then what happens?"},{"start":183.38,"end":186.52,"text":"Does he go down and see the IRS people?"},{"start":186.54,"end":192.06,"text":"He's going to work it out without any fanfare."},{"start":192.48,"end":192.66,"text":"Right."},{"start":192.9,"end":193.42,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":193.99,"end":194.67,"text":"Good."},{"start":194.69,"end":195.15,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":195.27,"end":198.4,"text":"No, no, I tell you, this fella, you'd be very impressed with him."},{"start":198.92,"end":199.36,"text":"Right."},{"start":199.38,"end":200.56,"text":"He's got four children."},{"start":200.62,"end":208.76,"text":"He used to live near you when you were VP, and he has been places where his wife apparently resembles Pat a little bit."},{"start":209.34,"end":210.38,"text":"Oh, good."},{"start":211.08,"end":213.63,"text":"And he feels very close to her, very proud."},{"start":213.81,"end":214.79,"text":"We got a good man there."},{"start":214.89,"end":215.09,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":215.39,"end":216.15,"text":"Couldn't be better."},{"start":216.13,"end":219.4,"text":"No, I really, I wouldn't have missed that trip for anything."},{"start":219.9,"end":223.28,"text":"But I hope you'll forgive me for not coming back, but I wanted to come up here."},{"start":223.3,"end":226.65,"text":"No, no, no, but the main thing is he can handle the situation."},{"start":226.69,"end":228.25,"text":"Exactly, exactly."},{"start":228.31,"end":232.75,"text":"And I wanted to tie up a couple of loose ends with respect to her and so on and our other arrangement."},{"start":232.77,"end":235.02,"text":"That's why I wanted to come on up here."},{"start":235.04,"end":235.3,"text":"Good."},{"start":235.6,"end":236.44,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":236.46,"end":236.86,"text":"Okay."},{"start":237.28,"end":237.8,"text":"Good shape."},{"start":237.82,"end":238.12,"text":"Good."},{"start":238.14,"end":239.26,"text":"Give Bob my best."},{"start":239.28,"end":239.64,"text":"All right, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon calls his close friend Charles \"Bebe\" Rebozo to receive an update on the recruitment of Kenneth Gemmill to manage a sensitive financial issue, specifically regarding a Howard Hughes campaign contribution. Rebozo expresses high confidence in Gemmill’s ability to resolve the matter discreetly and confirms that he has facilitated a meeting between Gemmill and Jesse Calhoun to finalize the process. 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