{"conversationCode":"040-077","tapeNumber":40,"conversationNumber":77,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-040-077","startDateTime":"1973-06-13T19:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-13T19:21:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jun-1973","startTime":"3:20 PM","endDate":"13-Jun-1973","endTime":"3:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:20 pm to 3:21 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 040-077 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 40-77\n\nDate: June 13, 1973\nTime: 3:20 pm - 3:21 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\f                                             -65-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 445-19]\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Meetings with individuals\n                 -Attendance of families\n                       -Discontinuation of the practice","filename":["040-077.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"040-076","nextCode":"040-078","transcript":[{"start":0.59,"end":1.53,"text":"Oh, yes, sir."},{"start":1.57,"end":7.78,"text":"Steve, the last time out, I told the military or you, I don't know which, that there'd be no more of the family bit."},{"start":8.34,"end":13.4,"text":"I don't know whether you got that through this time, because seven plus their families will be an hour."},{"start":13.9,"end":15.95,"text":"Have we or have we not?"},{"start":15.96,"end":18.09,"text":"Uh, we do have families on this one, Mr. President."},{"start":18.13,"end":19.71,"text":"Don't ever do it again."},{"start":19.75,"end":21.03,"text":"No more families, sir?"},{"start":21.35,"end":21.93,"text":"That's right."},{"start":21.95,"end":23.11,"text":"Never, never, never."},{"start":23.47,"end":23.63,"text":"Okay."},{"start":23.83,"end":25.2,"text":"All right, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to strictly enforce a new policy prohibiting family members from accompanying guests during presidential meetings. Despite Nixon’s previous directive, Bull confirmed that families were included in an upcoming scheduled visit. Nixon emphasized that this practice must be discontinued permanently, ordering Bull to ensure no further exceptions are made for family attendance.","topics":["Presidential schedule","White House protocol","Staff management","Visitor policy","Stephen B. Bull"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T06:03:18.349Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","white-house-protocol","staff-management","visitor-policy","stephen-b-bull"],"audioDurationSec":30,"audioFiles":[{"file":"040-077.mp3","bytes":964608,"durationSec":30.03,"bitrate":257000,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.713Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:43.132Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/040-077.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/040-077","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/40/conversation-040-077","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}