{"conversationCode":"041-022","tapeNumber":41,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-041-022","startDateTime":"1973-06-21T19:52:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-21T19:56:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Jun-1973","startTime":"3:52 PM","endDate":"21-Jun-1973","endTime":"3:56 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\");","description":"On June 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo talked on the telephone from 3:52 pm to 3:56 pm. 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Brezhnev\n           -Brehznev\n                 -Daily dinners\n                       -Cuisine\n\n     Rebozo’s health\n\n     Watergate\n          -Hughes contribution to Rebozo\n               -“Calhoun” [nickname of unnamed undividual]\n               -Return of money\n               -Lawyer, Kenneth Gemmill\n                     -Forthcoming conversation with man from New York\n                     -Rebozo’s legal status\n\f                                              -13-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["041-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\")"],"prevCode":"041-021","nextCode":"041-023","transcript":[{"start":1.03,"end":2.05,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.07,"end":2.53,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":2.65,"end":7.14,"text":"Well, we just got back from Camp David and signed another agreement."},{"start":7.16,"end":8.36,"text":"Oh, I tell you, it looks great."},{"start":8.6,"end":9.28,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":9.3,"end":10.14,"text":"It looks great."},{"start":10.18,"end":13.23,"text":"We're just working our tails off, boy, I tell you."},{"start":13.27,"end":17.05,"text":"I've had a meal with this guy every night, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday."},{"start":17.65,"end":22.16,"text":"I went to Thursday night and one in San Clemente Friday night and then Saturday night."},{"start":22.18,"end":26.31,"text":"And then he goes back, boy, I'll be ready to eat with you."},{"start":26.29,"end":28.67,"text":"What are you eating, the Russian stuff?"},{"start":28.69,"end":29.31,"text":"No, no, no, no, no."},{"start":29.35,"end":33.78,"text":"We will tonight because he's the host, but we've just been the host so far."},{"start":33.84,"end":34.56,"text":"You got a little cold."},{"start":34.92,"end":35.42,"text":"No, I haven't."},{"start":35.52,"end":36.58,"text":"No, you sound like you do."},{"start":36.7,"end":38.2,"text":"No, I must be the connection, right."},{"start":38.28,"end":39.3,"text":"I cured mine well."},{"start":39.4,"end":40.56,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":40.58,"end":41.22,"text":"I got mine cured."},{"start":41.24,"end":42.02,"text":"Good, good, good."},{"start":42.48,"end":43.69,"text":"Wondered about Calhoun."},{"start":43.77,"end":46.49,"text":"Well, I guess old Calhoun, they ought to be doing something now."},{"start":46.55,"end":51.44,"text":"I told them to call me when they had something accomplished."},{"start":51.41,"end":53.92,"text":"Did your man write a letter with it?"},{"start":54.36,"end":60.65,"text":"Oh, you see, we were going to tell him, but now the strategy is to hand it to him, get a receipt."},{"start":61.07,"end":61.67,"text":"I see."},{"start":61.69,"end":67,"text":"We were going to write a letter if the old Calhoun didn't get through."},{"start":67.02,"end":71.36,"text":"I'm not happy about the way he came through, as a matter of fact, but nonetheless..."},{"start":71.5,"end":73.1,"text":"The way he's doing it is sending the lawyer, huh?"},{"start":73.56,"end":74.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":74.58,"end":75.2,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":75.22,"end":77.61,"text":"No, I mean..."},{"start":78.84,"end":82.38,"text":"done what I asked him to do five, six weeks ago, this could have been long behind us."},{"start":82.4,"end":86.54,"text":"I don't know what kind of machinery could have gotten in motion in the meantime, but I think it'd be all right."},{"start":86.56,"end":89.07,"text":"The main thing is that it's done, right?"},{"start":89.15,"end":90.61,"text":"It's out of my hands, anyway."},{"start":90.71,"end":90.99,"text":"Right."},{"start":91.25,"end":91.85,"text":"It's out of my hands."},{"start":91.87,"end":93.59,"text":"You've given it to the lawyer, right?"},{"start":93.61,"end":93.73,"text":"Yes."},{"start":93.93,"end":95.61,"text":"But if the man doesn't take it, to heck with it."},{"start":95.63,"end":97.29,"text":"It's out of my hands."},{"start":97.73,"end":99.66,"text":"He's supposed to show up this afternoon, is he?"},{"start":99.67,"end":100.02,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":100.96,"end":108.1,"text":"He's supposed to be with Campbell this afternoon, and then go to Washington, and then"},{"start":108.64,"end":115.77,"text":"He's going to Washington, I mean to New York, rather, and work it out."},{"start":115.87,"end":119.03,"text":"So they'll probably do it late this afternoon or tomorrow."},{"start":121.13,"end":122.9,"text":"I haven't heard anything on it."},{"start":122.92,"end":124.64,"text":"You mean Gimel's going to talk to the..."},{"start":124.8,"end":127.36,"text":"Yes, the fellow's going to stop by there to see him."},{"start":128.68,"end":130.73,"text":"What, the fellow from Washington?"},{"start":130.85,"end":134.61,"text":"Yeah, the fellow from New York."},{"start":135.38,"end":140.99,"text":"he's going to stop by to see him on his way back from Washington and then"},{"start":141.68,"end":150.79,"text":"But, you know, the most important thing is that, as far as Gemmell is concerned, you asked him about the legal thing."},{"start":150.81,"end":152.13,"text":"What did he say about it?"},{"start":152.15,"end":153.25,"text":"I asked him this time again."},{"start":153.27,"end":158.14,"text":"I said, no one has told me yet what my status is."},{"start":158.16,"end":162.52,"text":"If there's anything that I've done legally wrong, he just shook his head."},{"start":162.54,"end":164.54,"text":"He said, no."},{"start":164.56,"end":165.22,"text":"Get a gout."},{"start":165.25,"end":166.25,"text":"Good."},{"start":166.27,"end":166.89,"text":"Well, fine."},{"start":167.19,"end":168.33,"text":"I'll give you a..."},{"start":168.31,"end":171.42,"text":"I'll maybe give you a call tomorrow and find out how it's coming."},{"start":171.64,"end":171.9,"text":"Okay."},{"start":171.92,"end":172.3,"text":"All right."},{"start":172.32,"end":173.07,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":173.09,"end":173.17,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his close associate Bebe Rebozo discuss recent diplomatic meetings with Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev and address ongoing concerns regarding the handling of a Howard Hughes financial contribution. Rebozo updates the President on the strategy for returning the funds, confirming that his lawyer, Kenneth Gemmill, is managing the process with a representative from New York. 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