{"conversationCode":"041-038","tapeNumber":41,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-041-038","startDateTime":"1973-06-22T16:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-22T16:35:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Jun-1973","startTime":"12:34 PM","endDate":"22-Jun-1973","endTime":"12:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On June 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 12:34 pm to 12:35 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 041-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 41-38\n\nDate: June 22, 1973\nTime: 12:34 pm - 12:35 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 946-17]\n\n     Leonid I. Brezhnev’s schedule\n          -Delay\n\n     Kissinger’s telephone call to Anatoliy F. Dobrynin\n\f                                               -22-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                                Conversation No. 41-38 (cont’d)\n\n             -Reaction from Congressional leaders\n                  -Most Favored Nation [MFN] status\n             -Brezhnev","filename":["041-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"041-037","nextCode":"041-039","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":4.85,"text":"I am Mr. Kissinger."},{"start":4.87,"end":5.13,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.15,"end":5.39,"text":"On the line."},{"start":5.41,"end":7.95,"text":"Brezhnev has delayed getting through with the business thing."},{"start":8.01,"end":16.04,"text":"It occurred to me that you might try to get Dabrina on the phone and tell him the reaction of the leaders is very positive."},{"start":16.3,"end":17.02,"text":"You see?"},{"start":17.04,"end":17.22,"text":"Right."},{"start":17.32,"end":18.2,"text":"I'll do it this minute."},{"start":18.24,"end":25.91,"text":"If you can, and that particularly that we made a strong pitch on MFN and so forth, but just that he might pass that to Brezhnev before he gets here, okay?"},{"start":25.93,"end":27.15,"text":"If you can reach him, fine."},{"start":27.17,"end":27.49,"text":"Right."},{"start":27.51,"end":27.81,"text":"Good."},{"start":27.87,"end":29.63,"text":"Let me try it immediately."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger coordinated a strategic communication effort to influence Soviet General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev ahead of his upcoming visit. Kissinger was instructed to contact Soviet Ambassador Anatoliy Dobrynin to convey that Congressional leaders held a positive reaction toward the President's diplomatic initiatives, specifically emphasizing the progress on Most Favored Nation (MFN) status. This action aimed to reassure the Soviet leadership and build momentum for negotiations despite delays in the summit's business agenda.","topics":["Leonid Brezhnev","Anatoliy Dobrynin","Most Favored Nation status","US-Soviet relations","Congressional relations","Diplomatic strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T06:11:08.934Z"},"topicSlugs":["leonid-brezhnev","anatoliy-dobrynin","most-favored-nation-status","us-soviet-relations","congressional-relations","diplomatic-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":35,"audioFiles":[{"file":"041-038.mp3","bytes":1107968,"durationSec":34.52,"bitrate":256771,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.712Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:43.366Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/041-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/041-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/41/conversation-041-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}