{"conversationCode":"042-030","tapeNumber":42,"conversationNumber":30,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-042-030","startDateTime":"1971-04-13T20:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-13T20:38:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1971","startTime":"3:04 PM","endDate":"13-Apr-1971","endTime":"3:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Shultz, George P.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Shiskin, Julius;","description":"On April 13, 1971, George P. Shultz, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and Julius Shiskin talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 3:38 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 042-030 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 42-30\n\nDate: April 13, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 3:04 pm and 3:38 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nGeorge P. Shultz talked with the White House operator; the President and John D. Ehrlichman\ncan be heard in the background.\n\n     Call to Julius Shiskin\n\nThe operator placed the call on hold at an unknown time.\n\n     Season\n\n     Atomic energy\n         -California\n         -North American Rockwell\n\n[Shultz talked with Shiskin at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 3:38 pm]\n\n[See Conversation No. 42-30A]\n\n     Statistics for President\n           -Shultz's previous conversation with Shiskin\n                  -Return call","filename":["042-030.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:30:06","tapeEnd":"00:31:25","participantsList":["Shultz, George P.","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D.","Shiskin, Julius"],"prevCode":"042-029","nextCode":"042-031","transcript":[{"start":7.67,"end":10.42,"text":"This is Mr. Schultz speaking."},{"start":10.54,"end":13.13,"text":"May I speak to him, please?"},{"start":13.15,"end":22.91,"text":"The other one is North American Rockwell operating through some city here."},{"start":22.93,"end":23.33,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":23.85,"end":24.21,"text":"Julie."},{"start":24.99,"end":27.98,"text":"You don't have that number yet, do you?"},{"start":28.43,"end":29.83,"text":"You need it urgently, right?"},{"start":30.17,"end":30.53,"text":"Obviously."},{"start":30.55,"end":34.26,"text":"Well, yeah, I would like to report it in to the bosses."},{"start":34.5,"end":35.5,"text":"All right."},{"start":35.92,"end":40.38,"text":"They said they'd let me know within 30 to 60 minutes when I called you before."},{"start":40.7,"end":42.49,"text":"But I'll go right back to them on that."},{"start":42.71,"end":43.51,"text":"All right."},{"start":44.53,"end":47.21,"text":"You can have the White House operator call me on extension 504."},{"start":47.69,"end":49.37,"text":"That's in the President's office."},{"start":49.72,"end":49.85,"text":"Okay."},{"start":49.91,"end":50.44,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":50.84,"end":51.86,"text":"Okay, I'll do that."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"George P. Shultz, acting on behalf of President Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman, contacts Julius Shiskin to secure urgent statistical data regarding North American Rockwell’s operations in California. The discussion centers on the immediate retrieval of specific economic or industrial figures required for a briefing for the President. Shiskin agrees to expedite the request and provide the information to the White House within the hour.","topics":["North American Rockwell","Economic statistics","Industrial data","George P. Shultz","Executive briefing"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T06:16:49.403Z"},"topicSlugs":["north-american-rockwell","economic-statistics","industrial-data","george-p-shultz","executive-briefing"],"audioDurationSec":52,"audioFiles":[{"file":"042-030.mp3","bytes":629279,"durationSec":52.2,"bitrate":96439,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.085Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/042-030.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/042-030","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/42/conversation-042-030","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}