{"conversationCode":"042-057","tapeNumber":42,"conversationNumber":57,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-042-057","startDateTime":"1971-04-17T00:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-17T00:05:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Apr-1971","startTime":"7:04 PM","endDate":"16-Apr-1971","endTime":"7:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 16, 1971, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:04 pm and 7:05 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 042-057 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 42-57\n\nDate: April 16, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 7:04 pm and 7:05 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nH. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with the President.\n\n     Steelworkers\n          -Statistics","filename":["042-057.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:06:48","tapeEnd":"01:07:27","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"042-056","nextCode":"042-058","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":0.67,"text":"Yep."},{"start":0.69,"end":2.78,"text":"Mr. Haldeman calling you, sir."},{"start":3.3,"end":3.5,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.52,"end":4.02,"text":"There you are."},{"start":4.04,"end":4.34,"text":"You okay?"},{"start":4.78,"end":5.06,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.08,"end":12.64,"text":"On the steelworkers, I can give you that all employees in the steel industry in 1960 were 651,000."},{"start":12.66,"end":12.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":12.78,"end":16.23,"text":"In 1971, 609,000."},{"start":16.39,"end":17.85,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":18.88,"end":19.52,"text":"That's all I need."},{"start":19.54,"end":20.12,"text":"Down about 5%."},{"start":20.14,"end":22.67,"text":"Now, that's probably the best figure to use."},{"start":23.11,"end":24.99,"text":"There's a whole lot of others on members of the union."},{"start":25.01,"end":27.78,"text":"I just want to get the idea that there's less in the industry today than there was before."},{"start":27.86,"end":29.6,"text":"There are less steelworkers now."},{"start":29.64,"end":34.01,"text":"There are more members of the steelworkers union, but there are less steelworkers in the industry."},{"start":34.03,"end":34.39,"text":"That's right."},{"start":34.53,"end":34.91,"text":"I got it."},{"start":34.93,"end":35.83,"text":"That's all I needed to know."},{"start":35.97,"end":36.53,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. R. Haldeman briefed President Nixon on employment statistics within the steel industry to support a specific administration narrative. They confirmed that while the total number of steelworkers union members had increased, the actual number of employees working in the steel industry had declined by approximately 5% since 1960. Nixon intended to use these figures to emphasize the contraction of the industry's workforce during public discourse.","topics":["Steel industry","Labor statistics","Employment data","Public messaging","United Steelworkers"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T06:19:22.225Z"},"topicSlugs":["steel-industry","labor-statistics","employment-data","public-messaging","united-steelworkers"],"audioDurationSec":38,"audioFiles":[{"file":"042-057.mp3","bytes":462848,"durationSec":37.99,"bitrate":97457,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.085Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/042-057.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/042-057","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/42/conversation-042-057","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}