{"conversationCode":"042-069","tapeNumber":42,"conversationNumber":69,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-042-069","startDateTime":"1971-04-28T20:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-28T20:50:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Apr-1971","startTime":"4:49 PM","endDate":"28-Apr-1971","endTime":"4:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 28, 1971, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 4:49 pm to 4:50 pm. 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(President)"],"prevCode":"042-068","nextCode":"042-070","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.56,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.92,"end":5.4,"text":"Hi, Bob."},{"start":5.98,"end":9,"text":"I'm going to see Henry for a few minutes."},{"start":9.02,"end":10.43,"text":"He's going to be leaving very shortly."},{"start":11.45,"end":24.95,"text":"I was thinking maybe if you had come over on 515, I'd go over a few things before I bed down for the rest of the cram course."},{"start":25.11,"end":26.09,"text":"Oh, one thing."},{"start":26.51,"end":34.32,"text":"Get from Buchanan's people what the position should be on the $2 minimum wage."},{"start":34.48,"end":36.37,"text":"It's not in the book."},{"start":36.38,"end":40.77,"text":"I guess Buchanan may be working it up now, and it's a new subject."},{"start":40.79,"end":45.8,"text":"It comes up, I intend to duck it, but unless they have a position."},{"start":46.9,"end":47.84,"text":"I'd like to just come out again."},{"start":47.88,"end":51.99,"text":"They were still debating it this morning because Hodgson's for it."},{"start":52.45,"end":52.99,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":53.25,"end":57.17,"text":"On the grounds that you have to keep the minimum wage at approximately half the..."},{"start":58.27,"end":58.53,"text":"I see."},{"start":58.55,"end":60.34,"text":"Well, then maybe it's a moot question."},{"start":60.38,"end":64.28,"text":"Maybe I just say, well, that's a matter that's under consideration in the administration."},{"start":64.32,"end":65.78,"text":"Maybe I don't want to announce that we're for it."},{"start":65.96,"end":68.69,"text":"I don't think they do because there are a lot of people that aren't."},{"start":68.93,"end":69.63,"text":"Well, I'm not for it."},{"start":69.69,"end":71.01,"text":"I think we've resolved it."},{"start":71.03,"end":71.59,"text":"Maybe they have."},{"start":71.69,"end":72.91,"text":"They were discussing it this morning."},{"start":72.93,"end":76.32,"text":"They may have had to testify, so we may have ended up with it."},{"start":77.56,"end":77.66,"text":"Okay."},{"start":79.44,"end":84.87,"text":"Hi Bob."},{"start":85.47,"end":88.48,"text":"I'm going to see Henry for a few minutes."},{"start":88.5,"end":89.92,"text":"He's going to be leaving very shortly."},{"start":90.94,"end":104.46,"text":"I was thinking maybe if you hadn't come over on 515, I'd go over a few things before I bed down for the rest of the cram course."},{"start":104.58,"end":105.6,"text":"Oh, one thing."},{"start":106.01,"end":117.78,"text":"But he testified that he thought that they'd gone off the track and that the President was ending the war correctly, and Fulbright tried to gavel him down."},{"start":117.8,"end":122.39,"text":"The committee hearing, some of our fellows finally got a little spunk."},{"start":122.95,"end":123.13,"text":"Who?"},{"start":123.31,"end":123.79,"text":"Which one?"},{"start":123.81,"end":125.15,"text":"Well, Hugh Scott and George Aitken."},{"start":125.17,"end":133.16,"text":"George Aitken said to a few fellows, if you kids don't like it in this country, why don't you go to another country?"},{"start":133.51,"end":140,"text":"Scott accused them of taking direction from Madam Ben."},{"start":140.26,"end":141.61,"text":"Who were these people?"},{"start":141.81,"end":145.09,"text":"These were the organizers of the present group."},{"start":145.11,"end":146.15,"text":"Oh, the Rennie Davis group?"},{"start":146.29,"end":147.54,"text":"The Rennie Davis group."},{"start":148.34,"end":159,"text":"But our fellows got a little bit angry over it, and I understand we've already found out ABC is going to cover both Scott and Aiken, and I suspect the other networks will."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman coordinate upcoming scheduling and policy preparations, including a discussion on whether to formulate an official administration position regarding a proposed $2 minimum wage. Nixon expresses clear opposition to the increase, suggesting he would prefer to avoid a definitive stance if possible. 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