{"conversationCode":"042-099","tapeNumber":42,"conversationNumber":99,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-042-099","startDateTime":"1971-05-05T17:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-05T19:00:00.000Z","startDate":"5-May-1971","startTime":"1:16 PM","endDate":"5-May-1971","endTime":"3:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Griner, John F.;","description":"On May 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John F. Griner talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 042-099 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 42-99\n\nDate: May 5, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe White House operator talked with the President.\n\n[See Conversation No. 252-44]\n\n     Crosby S. Noyes’ location\n\n[The President talked with John F. Griner at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm]\n\n[See Conversation No. 42-99A]\n\n[See also Conversation No. 252-44A]\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.\nPowell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this\ntranscript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]","filename":["042-099.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:29:14","tapeEnd":"02:31:08","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Griner, John F."],"prevCode":"042-098","nextCode":"042-100","transcript":[{"start":2.19,"end":7.3,"text":"I have Mr. Griner, and Mr. Crosby Noyes, he had just left a luncheon."},{"start":7.66,"end":7.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":8.18,"end":10.32,"text":"And should I leave word at his office?"},{"start":10.34,"end":12.01,"text":"Yeah, it's all right."},{"start":12.03,"end":12.13,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12.43,"end":14.75,"text":"I'll, and let's see, you have one, a couple of others."},{"start":14.79,"end":16.37,"text":"All right, I'll talk to you."},{"start":16.39,"end":17.3,"text":"This is Griner now."},{"start":17.41,"end":17.59,"text":"Fine."},{"start":18.78,"end":19.96,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":20.9,"end":27.59,"text":"Yes, I just wanted you to know that I may have took note of the fact that you probably have watched the papers that"},{"start":28.06,"end":41.27,"text":"The great number of, great majority of federal employees all came to work on Monday, and that's to their great credit, and I think part of the credit, and a great part of it goes to you and your leadership over there, and I'm most grateful for you."},{"start":41.85,"end":43.64,"text":"Mr. President, I certainly appreciate that."},{"start":44.6,"end":57.81,"text":"You tell the fellows and the people working in your office that when we've got a responsible, you know, trade union leadership, that really helps, because, you know, they've been so easy for them to be intimidated by this rat pack."},{"start":57.83,"end":58.05,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":58.32,"end":60.58,"text":"But I noticed you didn't take anything from them."},{"start":61.32,"end":63.24,"text":"No, sir, I didn't."},{"start":63.72,"end":70.45,"text":"I've got one local that I think participated under the banner of the FGE, and I'm going to take the charter away if they did."},{"start":71.65,"end":72.99,"text":"I'm just not going to put up with it."},{"start":73.63,"end":76.22,"text":"I certainly appreciate your call, Mr. President."},{"start":76.24,"end":79.32,"text":"Well, it seems to be, I think we did the right thing, don't you?"},{"start":79.34,"end":82.08,"text":"I think our police and others did pretty well to round them up."},{"start":82.1,"end":83.98,"text":"They did a wonderful job, wonderful job."},{"start":84,"end":84.86,"text":"Good, well..."},{"start":85.11,"end":86.64,"text":"Nothing but favorable comments."},{"start":86.66,"end":90.88,"text":"It's pretty hard, you know, for these young policemen to hold their tempers."},{"start":90.9,"end":93.22,"text":"You know, these people are horrible-looking people, aren't they?"},{"start":93.26,"end":94.61,"text":"They're not only horrible-looking."},{"start":95.27,"end":97.97,"text":"Horrible acting."},{"start":97.99,"end":98.13,"text":"Right."},{"start":98.15,"end":104.3,"text":"Mr. President, I can't help but thinking they're getting some outside assistance."},{"start":104.32,"end":104.68,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":104.7,"end":105.32,"text":"I know what you mean."},{"start":105.66,"end":106.26,"text":"I know what you mean."},{"start":106.86,"end":110.18,"text":"Well, anyway, I just want you to know I appreciate it, and I will remember."},{"start":110.46,"end":110.82,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":111.5,"end":112.35,"text":"I certainly do."},{"start":112.37,"end":112.45,"text":"Bye."},{"start":112.47,"end":113.39,"text":"Thank you for calling."},{"start":113.49,"end":114.55,"text":"Thank you very much."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called John F. Griner, president of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), to commend him for his leadership in ensuring federal employees reported to work during recent protests. The two discussed their mutual disdain for the protesters, with Nixon praising Griner’s refusal to be intimidated by what he termed a \"rat pack\" and Griner expressing his intention to discipline local union chapters that participated in the unrest. Both parties agreed that law enforcement handled the situation effectively and shared suspicions regarding the involvement of outside agitators in the demonstrations.","topics":["Federal employees","Labor unions","Protests","Law enforcement","AFGE","Civil unrest"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T06:23:17.074Z"},"topicSlugs":["federal-employees","labor-unions","protests","law-enforcement","afge","civil-unrest"],"audioDurationSec":115,"audioFiles":[{"file":"042-099.mp3","bytes":1377565,"durationSec":114.73,"bitrate":96052,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.085Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/042-099.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/042-099","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/42/conversation-042-099","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}