{"conversationCode":"043-163","tapeNumber":43,"conversationNumber":163,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-043-163","startDateTime":"1973-02-22T14:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-22T14:59:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Feb-1973","startTime":"9:58 AM","endDate":"22-Feb-1973","endTime":"9:59 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On February 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 9:58 am to 9:59 am. 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(“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See Conversation No. 861-4A]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift during\nchronological review 2007-2013]\n\n       Room Decoration\n           -Paintings\n                 -Visitors\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Theatre\n            -“Irene”\n\f                                             -96-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["043-163.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"043-162","nextCode":"043-164","transcript":[{"start":0.54,"end":14.39,"text":"hello yeah oh i want to tell you that i uh i was on the achievement i looked at those pictures this morning you know and i got the light in them i wonder if i think you know they're so such interesting things if maybe you could put"},{"start":15.07,"end":20.26,"text":"Put them, you know, put a couple on one wall and one on another, because they are really fascinating pictures."},{"start":20.62,"end":22.43,"text":"Yeah, see, they were seen in 1800."},{"start":22.73,"end":32.35,"text":"Yeah, in other words, if you could put them, you know, around in the bedroom, you know, take down all of them, as a matter of fact, that are in there, and maybe except the one over the desk."},{"start":32.33,"end":34.15,"text":"But even that could come."},{"start":34.17,"end":38.68,"text":"But these, then you could have a group of four around because it's so fascinating."},{"start":38.7,"end":43.46,"text":"And then sometime when I'm showing somebody, I can take them in and show them those because they're really a fascinating group."},{"start":43.82,"end":45.16,"text":"And also there's more color in them."},{"start":45.18,"end":47.95,"text":"See, at night you couldn't see the color, but they have nice color."},{"start":48.53,"end":51.75,"text":"And I'm going forward in time on that thing tonight, Irene, right?"},{"start":52.25,"end":52.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":52.71,"end":53.15,"text":"Fine."},{"start":53.61,"end":54.26,"text":"Whatever it is."},{"start":54.27,"end":54.67,"text":"Okay."},{"start":55.68,"end":55.86,"text":"Fine."},{"start":55.88,"end":56.08,"text":"Okay."},{"start":56.2,"end":56.34,"text":"Fine."},{"start":58.14,"end":58.22,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon calls First Lady Pat Nixon to discuss the redecoration of their private living quarters with a specific set of 19th-century paintings. 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