{"conversationCode":"043-176","tapeNumber":43,"conversationNumber":176,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-043-176","startDateTime":"1973-02-22T20:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-22T21:04:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:17 PM","endDate":"22-Feb-1973","endTime":"4:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Timmons, William E.;","description":"On February 22, 1973, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman and William E. Timmons talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:17 pm and 4:04 pm. 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Thompson\n            -Senate Selection Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities\n\f                                              -102-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 43-176 (cont’d)\n\n                  -Position\n             -Background\n                  -Timmons\n             -Howard H. Baker, Jr.\n             -George D. Webster\n                  -Possible position\n                  -John W. Dean, III’s view","filename":["043-176.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"043-175","nextCode":"043-177","transcript":[{"start":0.28,"end":8.36,"text":"Mr. Timmons out there."},{"start":8.74,"end":9.79,"text":"Yes, hold on, please."},{"start":36.35,"end":37.67,"text":"Hello."},{"start":37.69,"end":39.79,"text":"Is this Fred Thompson, the young guy from Tennessee?"},{"start":39.81,"end":39.89,"text":"Yep."},{"start":40.59,"end":41.29,"text":"He is."},{"start":41.31,"end":41.39,"text":"Yep."},{"start":41.41,"end":44.7,"text":"30 years old or 31, former assistant DA."},{"start":44.72,"end":45.9,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":45.92,"end":46.38,"text":"Do you know him?"},{"start":46.7,"end":49.42,"text":"Nope."},{"start":49.44,"end":52.66,"text":"Howard is very high on him, but I don't know him."},{"start":52.69,"end":54.55,"text":"I haven't bothered to check him out with anybody either."},{"start":55.65,"end":56.49,"text":"Stuck with him now, huh?"},{"start":56.89,"end":57.59,"text":"Apparently so."},{"start":58.15,"end":63.84,"text":"See, Howard's been very reluctant to talk on the telephone, although I talked to him personally last night and also to his guy."},{"start":64.46,"end":67.64,"text":"that hold up, and I tried to push George Webster."},{"start":67.69,"end":68.79,"text":"And they came back with it."},{"start":68.83,"end":70.59,"text":"And they said, well, Howard's really big on this guy."},{"start":70.61,"end":71.11,"text":"He's a tiger."},{"start":71.13,"end":71.93,"text":"He'll do anything we want."},{"start":71.97,"end":72.91,"text":"Yak, yak, yak, yak."},{"start":73.27,"end":74.31,"text":"And I said, well, he's a lightweight."},{"start":74.33,"end":75.36,"text":"He's going to be mismatched."},{"start":75.4,"end":76.96,"text":"And they said, well, he's not going to ask any questions."},{"start":77,"end":78.54,"text":"Howard's going to do all the questions."},{"start":78.56,"end":80.66,"text":"Yak, yak, yak."},{"start":80.68,"end":83.13,"text":"He said what they'd do on George Webster is make him an associate."},{"start":84.02,"end":85.24,"text":"Well, will they still?"},{"start":85.52,"end":86.22,"text":"Yeah, I think so."},{"start":86.44,"end":87.08,"text":"Well, that'd be good."},{"start":87.12,"end":91.11,"text":"Now, I haven't talked to him again, but that's what they were going to do last night."},{"start":91.37,"end":92.47,"text":"And I talked to Dean."},{"start":92.49,"end":95.06,"text":"He says, God, you can't have a guy as heavy as Webster as an associate."},{"start":95.08,"end":96.64,"text":"So I said, well, what about a consultant?"},{"start":96.66,"end":98.34,"text":"You know, he could be a consultant to the Republicans."},{"start":98.36,"end":98.9,"text":"Same difference."},{"start":98.94,"end":104.17,"text":"And he would overshadow this kid, I think."},{"start":104.19,"end":104.33,"text":"Okay."},{"start":104.35,"end":104.55,"text":"Okay."},{"start":104.61,"end":105.85,"text":"Maybe they could make him co-counsel."},{"start":108.5,"end":111.34,"text":"Maybe."},{"start":111.56,"end":112.64,"text":"On the basis of knowing..."},{"start":112.99,"end":119.93,"text":"the city city and the other guys out of town talk for them yeah mighty okay"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. R. Haldeman and William E. Timmons discuss the appointment of Fred Thompson as a staffer for the Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities. They evaluate Thompson’s lack of experience and weigh the implications of hiring George D. Webster to assist or advise the Republican side of the committee. The participants weigh potential titles for Webster, such as associate or co-counsel, in order to balance Republican influence against the perception of Thompson as a political lightweight.","topics":["Fred Thompson","Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities","Howard H. Baker Jr.","George D. Webster","John W. 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