{"conversationCode":"043-184","tapeNumber":43,"conversationNumber":184,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-043-184","startDateTime":"1973-02-23T20:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-23T20:03:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:02 PM","endDate":"23-Feb-1973","endTime":"3:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:02 pm to 3:03 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 043-184 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 43-184\n\nDate: February 23, 1973\nTime: 3:02 pm - 3:03 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 413-6]\n\n       Public relations\n             -The President’s attendance at National Theatre\n                    -Press attendance\n                    -The President’s instructions\n                    -Press attendance\n                          -Circumstances","filename":["043-184.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"043-183","nextCode":"043-185","transcript":[{"start":1.35,"end":2.15,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.03,"end":11.94,"text":"See, one point I wanted to make with you that for the future we probably are going to have it come up in the future very, very soon."},{"start":11.96,"end":23.46,"text":"But I noted in the story this morning that eight members of the press had seats in the theater and that, of course, that required eight people to give up their seats."},{"start":23.84,"end":29.17,"text":"Now, under no circumstances in the future when I go to the theater are we to insist on seats for the press."},{"start":29.23,"end":32.03,"text":"I don't know how that ever happened because that's not my rule."},{"start":32.61,"end":33.01,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":33.03,"end":34.62,"text":"If they want to go, they stand in the back."},{"start":35.06,"end":35.96,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":35.98,"end":36.62,"text":"How did it happen?"},{"start":36.66,"end":37.86,"text":"Did they check that with you?"},{"start":38.52,"end":47.13,"text":"Well, as a matter of course, in almost all cases, the theaters make seats available for the press because it"},{"start":47.52,"end":53.1,"text":"It behooves them to have press with the president, and we don't really, we don't push for them."},{"start":53.24,"end":54.63,"text":"We've had them stand in the past."},{"start":54.71,"end":55.87,"text":"It was the theater's doing, sir."},{"start":56.97,"end":62.72,"text":"Well, just throwing people out, you know, and when we go late like this, everything really is, judges don't like the feel of it, right?"},{"start":62.74,"end":64,"text":"Well, it was the theater who did it."},{"start":64.56,"end":65.22,"text":"All right."},{"start":65.68,"end":68.47,"text":"Just tell them not to do it then when we come in the future."},{"start":68.89,"end":72.35,"text":"That is, unless it's going to throw anybody out, okay?"},{"start":72.37,"end":73.11,"text":"All right, sir, that's fine."},{"start":73.13,"end":73.37,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to ensure that members of the press no longer displace audience members to secure seating during his future visits to the National Theatre. Nixon expressed concern over reports that eight patrons had lost their seats to reporters, characterizing the practice as improper. Bull clarified that the theater had independently allocated the seats, and he agreed to the President’s directive that future press coverage should occur from the back of the venue.","topics":["Richard Nixon","Stephen B. Bull","Public relations","National Theatre","Press policy","Logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T06:40:41.443Z"},"topicSlugs":["richard-nixon","stephen-b-bull","public-relations","national-theatre","press-policy","logistics"],"audioDurationSec":81,"audioFiles":[{"file":"043-184.mp3","bytes":1935953,"durationSec":80.52,"bitrate":192345,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.403Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/043-184.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/043-184","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/43/conversation-043-184","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}