{"conversationCode":"044-136","tapeNumber":44,"conversationNumber":136,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-044-136","startDateTime":"1973-04-10T20:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-10T20:50:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Apr-1973","startTime":"3:49 PM","endDate":"10-Apr-1973","endTime":"3:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 10, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:49 pm to 3:50 pm. 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Butz\n             -Two Congressmen\n                    -George A. Goodling\n                    -Samuel L. Devine","filename":["044-136.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"044-135","nextCode":"044-137","transcript":[{"start":0.76,"end":1.26,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.6,"end":1.86,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":1.88,"end":2.26,"text":"Steve Bell."},{"start":2.34,"end":2.88,"text":"Hi, Steve."},{"start":3.46,"end":10.31,"text":"On that thing Thursday, I think it would be good to add the domestic members of the cabinet."},{"start":10.33,"end":15.68,"text":"Tell them it's not a command, not including the attorney general."},{"start":15.7,"end":21.73,"text":"In other words, don't have the people from..."},{"start":25.61,"end":34.69,"text":"I'll tell you, on vetoes, first I want Roy Ash for sure, and obviously Ehrlichman, Holloman, anybody from the top White House people."},{"start":34.81,"end":41.28,"text":"I mean, just three or four from the top White House staff there that work on this sort of thing, you know, on vetoes."},{"start":42.26,"end":43.58,"text":"Roy Ash from the budget."},{"start":44.32,"end":50.55,"text":"Then Weinberger, Lynn, and Butts should be there."},{"start":52.45,"end":53.39,"text":"Weinberger, Lynn, and Butts."},{"start":56.75,"end":57.83,"text":"National Rehabilitation."},{"start":60.19,"end":60.47,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":60.49,"end":62.73,"text":"I just have the domestic members of the cabinet."},{"start":62.95,"end":66.62,"text":"All right, so we'll delete State and Defense and Attorney General."},{"start":66.9,"end":67.12,"text":"Right."},{"start":67.14,"end":67.8,"text":"All right, sir, fine."},{"start":68.04,"end":68.32,"text":"Right."},{"start":68.46,"end":73.25,"text":"And I think maybe I'd pick up the rest of them."},{"start":73.27,"end":74.31,"text":"All right, sir, fine."},{"start":74.51,"end":76.85,"text":"For your information, sir, the two congressmen are here."},{"start":77.83,"end":78.35,"text":"They are here?"},{"start":78.53,"end":78.83,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":79.51,"end":80.49,"text":"Okay, I'll come over now."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed Stephen B. Bull to modify the attendee list for a scheduled Thursday reception by including domestic cabinet members while specifically excluding the Attorney General, the State Department, and the Department of Defense. He directed that key White House staff, including Roy Ash, John Ehrlichman, and H.R. Haldeman, be prioritized for discussions regarding veto strategies. 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