{"conversationCode":"044-160","tapeNumber":44,"conversationNumber":160,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-044-160","startDateTime":"1973-04-14T02:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-14T02:10:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"9:04 PM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"9:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:04 pm and 9:10 pm. 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Passman\n             -President's schedule\n             -Views on foreign aid\n                   -Loan arguments\n             -Schedule\n             -Henry A. Kissinger call\n             -Administration's decision on foreign aid","filename":["044-160.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"044-159","nextCode":"044-161","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.85,"text":"Good morning after the dentist."},{"start":3.88,"end":4.28,"text":"Any time."},{"start":4.51,"end":4.8,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.94,"end":6.04,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":6.06,"end":7.96,"text":"Oh, Bill, I forgot to mention."},{"start":8,"end":10.9,"text":"Otto Passman said he felt he had to see me pretty soon."},{"start":11.94,"end":14.09,"text":"And I don't know what..."},{"start":14.11,"end":16.97,"text":"I suppose it's on how the foreign aid's going to be handled."},{"start":16.99,"end":20.29,"text":"He favors loans rather than grants out there."},{"start":20.31,"end":22.51,"text":"I'm trying to get Henry Kissinger together with him."},{"start":22.81,"end":24.55,"text":"Otto leaves town today for a month."},{"start":24.64,"end":27.34,"text":"They're traveling somewhere overseas."},{"start":27.54,"end":30.58,"text":"And I think we'd get Henry to talk to him, at least on the phone, it might."},{"start":30.8,"end":42.03,"text":"Well, if Henry could, you might tell Henry to call him and tell him that we want to see him when he comes back and we won't make a decision until he comes back or something like that."},{"start":42.05,"end":42.16,"text":"Okay."},{"start":42.17,"end":43.18,"text":"Have you got a hold of Henry yet?"},{"start":43.24,"end":45.34,"text":"No, not this morning."},{"start":46.34,"end":47.94,"text":"You want me to tell him to do that?"},{"start":48.08,"end":49.5,"text":"Well, I can tell him that we should."},{"start":49.52,"end":55.77,"text":"You just tell Henry that Passman hit me last night and since Passman's leaving, he should call and let the president ask him to."},{"start":56.27,"end":63.63,"text":"check with this and that we'll give it some thought and not make a decision until he returns and then we'll be able to vet it out."},{"start":63.96,"end":64.08,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":64.1,"end":64.2,"text":"Good."},{"start":64.22,"end":65.2,"text":"Sure will."},{"start":65.22,"end":65.46,"text":"All right."},{"start":65.48,"end":66.62,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with Stephen B. 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