{"conversationCode":"045-038","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-038","startDateTime":"1973-04-28T01:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-28T01:03:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Apr-1973","startTime":"8:02 PM","endDate":"27-Apr-1973","endTime":"8:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 8:02 pm to 8:03 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 045-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 45-38\n\nDate: April 27, 1973\nTime: 8:02 pm - 8:03 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See also conversation No. 906-24B]\n\n     Ziegler’s meeting with Raymond K. Price, Jr.\n\n     Invitation to meeting with President","filename":["045-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"045-037","nextCode":"045-039","transcript":[{"start":0.37,"end":1.55,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.57,"end":2.03,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.15,"end":3.04,"text":"Are you in your office?"},{"start":3.34,"end":3.7,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.72,"end":7.53,"text":"I'm sitting with Ray Price and going over the... Oh, could you come in just a second, please?"},{"start":7.55,"end":9.64,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon contacted Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler to request his immediate presence in the Oval Office. During the brief telephone exchange, the President noted that he was currently meeting with speechwriter Raymond K. Price, Jr. The primary purpose of the call was to facilitate a tripartite discussion involving Price and Ziegler regarding ongoing White House business.","topics":["Oval Office","Ronald Ziegler","Raymond K. Price, Jr.","Staff scheduling"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T07:03:37.979Z"},"topicSlugs":["oval-office","ronald-ziegler","raymond-k-price-jr","staff-scheduling"],"audioDurationSec":15,"audioFiles":[{"file":"045-038.mp3","bytes":468992,"durationSec":14.53,"bitrate":258160,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.713Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/045-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/045-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/45/conversation-045-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}