{"conversationCode":"045-042","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":42,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-042","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T02:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T02:32:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Apr-1973","startTime":"10:20 PM","endDate":"30-Apr-1973","endTime":"10:32 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Graham, William F. (\"Billy\");","description":"On April 30, 1973, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and William F. (\"Billy\") Graham talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:20 pm and 10:32 pm. 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Kehrli’s instructions\n            -Rose Mary Woods\n            -Cabinet members\n            -Graham\n\nGraham can be heard at the end of the conversation before the call was cut off.","filename":["045-042.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Graham, William F. (\"Billy\")"],"prevCode":"045-041","nextCode":"045-043","transcript":[{"start":0.32,"end":1.08,"text":"The president?"},{"start":1.46,"end":1.66,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.68,"end":2.38,"text":"The president."},{"start":3.31,"end":5.11,"text":"Reverend Billy Graham is calling you."},{"start":5.15,"end":6,"text":"No, no."},{"start":6.02,"end":6.26,"text":"No."},{"start":6.66,"end":7.22,"text":"Operator."},{"start":7.24,"end":8.4,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":8.84,"end":12.72,"text":"Mr. Harleman just told me that you've been instructed not to put calls through."},{"start":12.79,"end":21.11,"text":"No, I haven't heard any member of the cabinet except Weinberger and the others put all calls through to me directly right now."},{"start":21.27,"end":22.06,"text":"Do you understand that?"},{"start":22.22,"end":22.78,"text":"Yes, I do, sir."},{"start":22.8,"end":24.72,"text":"We have been instructed not to."},{"start":25.08,"end":27.06,"text":"Who instructed you not to?"},{"start":27.08,"end":30.93,"text":"Mr. Curly gave us different people to call."},{"start":31.15,"end":31.39,"text":"No."},{"start":31.79,"end":32.43,"text":"All right."},{"start":32.45,"end":36.01,"text":"Any calls that come in to me, you know,"},{"start":35.99,"end":36.79,"text":"Not available."},{"start":36.81,"end":40.86,"text":"Put them to... First, Ms. Woods will screen them."},{"start":41.32,"end":41.98,"text":"All right."},{"start":42,"end":42.58,"text":"Put them to her."},{"start":42.88,"end":43.42,"text":"All right."},{"start":43.6,"end":47.63,"text":"But honey, any calls from cabinet members are to me directly."},{"start":47.67,"end":48.25,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":48.31,"end":49.23,"text":"Yes, I do, sir."},{"start":49.77,"end":50.71,"text":"All right."},{"start":50.73,"end":52.41,"text":"And you don't want to talk to Mr. Graham now."},{"start":53.58,"end":54.34,"text":"Oh, I'll talk to him."},{"start":54.52,"end":54.9,"text":"All right."},{"start":54.92,"end":56.02,"text":"Sure, sure, sure, sure."},{"start":59.45,"end":60.77,"text":"Hello?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon speaks with the White House operator to rectify confusion regarding current call-screening protocols following restrictive instructions issued by Bruce Kehrli. Nixon clarifies that while routine calls should be routed through Rose Mary Woods, he insists that all calls from Cabinet members be put through to him directly. After settling these administrative procedures, the President approves the connection of an incoming call from Reverend Billy Graham.","topics":["White House protocols","Call screening","Cabinet relations","Richard Nixon","Billy Graham"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T07:04:01.312Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-protocols","call-screening","cabinet-relations","richard-nixon","billy-graham"],"audioDurationSec":66,"audioFiles":[{"file":"045-042.mp3","bytes":2103296,"durationSec":65.63,"bitrate":256395,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.713Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/045-042.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/045-042","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/45/conversation-045-042","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}