{"conversationCode":"045-054","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":54,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-054","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T02:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T02:54:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Apr-1973","startTime":"10:51 PM","endDate":"30-Apr-1973","endTime":"10:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Shultz, George P.; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 30, 1973, George P. Shultz and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 10:51 pm to 10:54 pm. 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Ehrlichman\n                -Resignations\n          -Shultz’s decency\n          -Haldeman and Ehrlichman\n          -President’s speech\n                -Effectiveness\n                -Shultz’s support\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Labor Management Advisory Board meeting\n                 -President’s participation\n           -Cabinet meeting","filename":["045-054.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Shultz, George P.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"045-053","nextCode":"045-055","transcript":[{"start":3.39,"end":4.37,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.39,"end":5.71,"text":"Secretary Schultz, sir."},{"start":5.73,"end":5.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6.85,"end":8.62,"text":"There you are."},{"start":8.64,"end":9.72,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":10.56,"end":12.2,"text":"Lord George Schultz speaking."},{"start":13.26,"end":26.48,"text":"Mr. President, I know how terribly hard this must be to have John and Bob leave your side and all of us involved with you."},{"start":27.86,"end":29.22,"text":"We'll miss them a great deal."},{"start":29.9,"end":32.49,"text":"And I..."},{"start":32.51,"end":32.59,"text":"I..."},{"start":33.44,"end":35.53,"text":"I know, I know."},{"start":37.73,"end":44.46,"text":"You're such a decent, kind man that you would feel that way, and most others don't give a damn, but you do, and that's to your great credit."},{"start":44.92,"end":48.02,"text":"Well, they're great people, and they've done a wonderful job."},{"start":51.39,"end":54.57,"text":"And I know it very well, and I— I know you already do."},{"start":55.09,"end":55.61,"text":"Fine."},{"start":55.63,"end":59.2,"text":"But I thought your speech tonight was"},{"start":59.87,"end":67.72,"text":"We all listened to it, including my children, and they all felt the same way."},{"start":68.66,"end":69.72,"text":"It had to be said."},{"start":70.56,"end":73.74,"text":"I think we—the thing is to go on and govern."},{"start":74.32,"end":75.5,"text":"That's right."},{"start":75.52,"end":78.35,"text":"Go on and do the job that has to be done for this country."},{"start":80.11,"end":84.07,"text":"That's right, sir, and I will be standing with you in trying to do that."},{"start":84.91,"end":88.48,"text":"You always have, George."},{"start":88.86,"end":93.73,"text":"As I understand, we're having our meeting with the labor management group Wednesday, right?"},{"start":93.79,"end":94.19,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":94.21,"end":95.79,"text":"They're going to be in here Wednesday."},{"start":95.97,"end":96.21,"text":"Good."},{"start":96.37,"end":97.17,"text":"I'll be there."},{"start":97.19,"end":98.25,"text":"Yeah, that would be great."},{"start":98.61,"end":99.49,"text":"Drop in hell."},{"start":99.65,"end":100.22,"text":"I'll be there."},{"start":100.75,"end":101.46,"text":"Well, okay."},{"start":101.48,"end":102.08,"text":"You know that."},{"start":102.3,"end":102.66,"text":"Wonderful."},{"start":103,"end":105.04,"text":"We're going to have a cabinet meeting Wednesday, you know."},{"start":105.72,"end":108.55,"text":"Well, you may not know, but I ordered it today."},{"start":108.58,"end":110.27,"text":"We must have a cabinet meeting."},{"start":110.51,"end":112.55,"text":"A very brief, undue staff meeting."},{"start":113.01,"end":116.07,"text":"But by God, I'm going to stay in that labor management thing."},{"start":116.11,"end":117,"text":"We're going to fight it out."},{"start":117.42,"end":117.66,"text":"Good."},{"start":118.24,"end":118.82,"text":"Okay."},{"start":119.14,"end":120.32,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":120.34,"end":120.98,"text":"All right, George."},{"start":121,"end":122.57,"text":"And it's so sweet of you to call."},{"start":122.63,"end":122.91,"text":"Will."},{"start":123.35,"end":124.78,"text":"Give my best to your lovely wife."},{"start":124.94,"end":125.58,"text":"I sure will."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Secretary of the Treasury George Shultz called President Nixon to express personal support following the high-profile resignations of H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman amid the Watergate scandal. Shultz commended the President’s recent televised address and reaffirmed his commitment to the administration's continued governance. Nixon discussed his upcoming schedule, specifically confirming his intent to attend an upcoming Labor Management Advisory Board meeting and a Cabinet meeting to project stability and resolve.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Resignations","Cabinet meeting","H.R. 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