{"conversationCode":"045-075","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":75,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-075","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T16:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T17:00:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"12:59 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"1:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 12:59 pm to 1:00 pm. 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Rogers’s schedule\n           -Willy Brandt\n           -Luncheon\n\n     Watergate\n          -Language of memorandum\n               -Rogers’s review\n               -Leonard Garment\n               -Intent\n                     -Access to papers of H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman\n                     -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]\n               -President’s reaction\n                     -Disappointment","filename":["045-075.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"045-074","nextCode":"045-076","transcript":[{"start":0.71,"end":1.23,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.25,"end":1.97,"text":"Yes, sir, Steve, Bill."},{"start":1.99,"end":12.02,"text":"I think Bill Rogers, I'm afraid, is giving a lunch for, you might check to see if he isn't giving a lunch for the Chancellor."},{"start":12.56,"end":17.53,"text":"Then, before any decision is made on this, I want him to look at the language and work this out."},{"start":18.15,"end":24.1,"text":"All right, so I tell Garment that this is, that the President is really shocked."},{"start":24.6,"end":28.13,"text":"that he would have the bad judgment to have something as broad as this."},{"start":28.15,"end":29.09,"text":"Would you do that?"},{"start":29.11,"end":29.47,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":29.71,"end":35.78,"text":"Mr. President, looking further at the intent of this, this would not give the FBI access."},{"start":36.18,"end":40.22,"text":"Rather, it would protect those papers so they could not be removed."},{"start":40.58,"end":43.55,"text":"And the misleading thing was in... No, the hell with that."},{"start":43.57,"end":44.33,"text":"God damn them."},{"start":44.37,"end":45.27,"text":"They're not going to..."},{"start":45.57,"end":46.81,"text":"These men are not defendants."},{"start":47.57,"end":50.48,"text":"These men are not defendants, and I'm not going to allow that."},{"start":50.5,"end":51.2,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":51.65,"end":52.17,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":52.63,"end":53.34,"text":"I know."},{"start":53.94,"end":57.25,"text":"And tell Garment I'm shocked and I am very disappointed in him."},{"start":58.34,"end":60.38,"text":"And give him that message immediately."},{"start":60.88,"end":61.42,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":61.45,"end":61.75,"text":"Fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directed Stephen B. Bull to instruct Leonard Garment to revise a memorandum regarding access to the personal papers of H.R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman. Expressing shock and disappointment at the breadth of the proposal, the President insisted that the documents be protected rather than opened to FBI scrutiny, explicitly stating that his former aides were not defendants. The conversation also touched upon coordinating the President’s concerns with Secretary of State William P. Rogers's schedule.","topics":["Watergate","H.R. Haldeman","John D. Ehrlichman","Leonard Garment","William P. 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