{"conversationCode":"045-110","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":110,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-110","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T22:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T22:55:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"6:53 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"6:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Packard, David;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and David Packard talked on the telephone from 6:53 pm to 6:55 pm. 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Rogers\n          -President’s schedule\n                -Meeting with President\n                -Flight schedule\n\n           -Rogers’s conversations\n                -John E. Stennis, Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield, George H. Mahon\n                -Stock issue\n\n     President’s schedule\n\f                                             -73-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["045-110.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Packard, David"],"prevCode":"045-109","nextCode":"045-111","transcript":[{"start":0.98,"end":1.58,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.6,"end":2.64,"text":"I'm Mr. Packard, sir."},{"start":3.6,"end":3.74,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":3.76,"end":5.4,"text":"Say you are."},{"start":5.42,"end":5.82,"text":"Dave?"},{"start":5.84,"end":7.8,"text":"This is Dave Packard speaking, Mr. President."},{"start":7.91,"end":8.95,"text":"I hope you're feeling well."},{"start":9.11,"end":17,"text":"Well, I'm feeling fine, and I just want to say that you have my complete confidence and support, and... Well, let's see."},{"start":17.9,"end":19.5,"text":"Don't worry about sympathy now, you know."},{"start":19.72,"end":24.35,"text":"But in any case... We've been in battles before, Dave, and what you do is win them."},{"start":24.37,"end":25.01,"text":"Well, you're right."},{"start":25.13,"end":26.35,"text":"Anyway, we're... Got to fight."},{"start":27.07,"end":30.59,"text":"It's a tough one, and... Well, it was very hard to have to call Bob and..."},{"start":31.11,"end":33.78,"text":"Bob and John, who you know, are selfless, wonderful guys."},{"start":34.36,"end":36.62,"text":"But they had to go, don't you agree?"},{"start":36.65,"end":37.21,"text":"I think so."},{"start":37.35,"end":42.94,"text":"I think regardless of whether there was anything actually involved or not, I think you did the right thing."},{"start":43.04,"end":45.94,"text":"I know how difficult it was for you."},{"start":47.58,"end":52.43,"text":"Dave, Bill has talked to you and I wanted to talk to you quite directly."},{"start":52.51,"end":55.1,"text":"And I know this is a terribly"},{"start":56.06,"end":63.56,"text":"difficult thing for Eden to consider, but would you mind coming back and chatting with me about it at least on Thursday or Wednesday?"},{"start":63.76,"end":66.33,"text":"I would be pleased to do so."},{"start":67.21,"end":68.63,"text":"When could you come in?"},{"start":68.65,"end":74.2,"text":"I was planning to leave Thursday at noon, but let me see."},{"start":74.22,"end":80.52,"text":"I think I could be out there tomorrow and be there Thursday morning."},{"start":81.34,"end":81.8,"text":"Thursday morning?"},{"start":82.28,"end":82.7,"text":"Yes."},{"start":83.07,"end":109.65,"text":"mine uh and i could be i do it anytime and obviously it's very convenient let me tell you this uh let me ask you this could perhaps uh would you mind having breakfast with me thursday morning no anything that would uh that wouldn't i don't want to inconvenience you that red eye is a terrible thing but what i would do and i'll come out so they'll get in about midnight time right night i don't like to ride that red eye and i wouldn't have to well we"},{"start":109.97,"end":112.24,"text":"I won't have you bother with breakfast."},{"start":112.72,"end":116.07,"text":"Why don't we just say that we'll get together at 9 o'clock."},{"start":116.15,"end":116.53,"text":"How's that?"},{"start":116.79,"end":117.8,"text":"That would be just fine."},{"start":117.92,"end":119.94,"text":"And that gives you a chance to sleep in."},{"start":121.73,"end":123.37,"text":"Bill has talked to..."},{"start":124.25,"end":133.78,"text":"Dennis Mansfield, Mahon, on a very private basis, and they're all terribly enthusiastic on this whole thing in the event that you and I can work something out."},{"start":133.9,"end":136.06,"text":"So, you know, and on this stock business as well."},{"start":136.32,"end":145.83,"text":"I appreciate very much your confidence and, well, there's no question of that, but I just don't ask you to undertake a burden, but I wanted you to know that we have done some preliminary things and"},{"start":146.46,"end":150.91,"text":"But you and I will chat about it, and I would love to talk to you at 9 o'clock Thursday."},{"start":150.95,"end":153.04,"text":"I would certainly be pleased to do that, and I will be there."},{"start":153.08,"end":153.83,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":154.05,"end":154.45,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":154.95,"end":155.03,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon spoke with David Packard to secure his support during the intensifying Watergate scandal, particularly regarding the recent resignations of H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman. Nixon expressed his resolve to fight through the political crisis and thanked Packard for his continued confidence. To explore a potential, undisclosed role for Packard in the administration, the two men arranged a private meeting for Thursday morning to discuss the matter further.","topics":["Watergate","H.R. 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