{"conversationCode":"045-129","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":129,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-129","startDateTime":"1973-05-02T03:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-02T03:42:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"11:40 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"11:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Timmons, William E.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William E. Timmons talked on the telephone from 11:40 pm to 11:42 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 045-129 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 45-129\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: 11:40 pm - 11:42 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with William E. Timmons.\n\n     Watergate\n          -Ronald L. Ziegler\n          -William P. Rogers\n          -Statement to Senate Democrats\n          -Special Prosecutor\n                -Elliot L. Richardson’s role\n                -Effect\n                -Sense of Senate resolution\n                -Charles H. Percy, Jr.\n                -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]\n                -Richardson’s authority\n                -Instructions for William Timmons concerning Congress\n                      -James L. Buckley, Barry M. Goldwater\n                      -Thomas C. Korologos\n                      -James O. Eastland, John C. Stennis\n\n     State dinner","filename":["045-129.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"045-128","nextCode":"045-130","transcript":[{"start":0.94,"end":2.98,"text":"I'll take Timmons now."},{"start":3.83,"end":3.93,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.95,"end":6.01,"text":"Go ahead."},{"start":6.03,"end":6.19,"text":"Bill?"},{"start":6.49,"end":7.37,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":7.39,"end":24.57,"text":"Oh, the thing that I—Ron may have called you, but if he doesn't, it's just—the thing that you should do—and I have talked to Bill Rogers, too, and Elliott—emphasize to these—to the Republicans and what Democrats you can talk to that"},{"start":25.14,"end":31.95,"text":"I mean, I gave him the authority to appoint a special prosecutor, as you know."},{"start":32.41,"end":33.24,"text":"That's the way to do it."},{"start":33.26,"end":36.8,"text":"Otherwise, the goddamn case should start all over again, take three, four months."},{"start":37.51,"end":42.86,"text":"I mean, the investigation is already on its way, and they're almost ready to indict."},{"start":42.88,"end":43.7,"text":"Well, that's right."},{"start":44.28,"end":44.92,"text":"It's silly."},{"start":45.4,"end":46.74,"text":"Damn Senate."},{"start":47.38,"end":50.12,"text":"gone wild on the thing, Percy and his friends."},{"start":50.28,"end":61.18,"text":"Obviously, you can't stop the FBI and the prosecution that's gone forward and the assistant attorney general, all that evidence and stuff they've done has got to be valuable and got to be used."},{"start":61.2,"end":68,"text":"And last night you did everything you could and said that Elliott would be empowered and authorized if he felt it necessary to appoint a special prosecutor."},{"start":68.39,"end":73.17,"text":"Well, Elliott, well, you just be sure that all of them in the Hill know and told"},{"start":73.66,"end":77.14,"text":"You've got people like Buckley and Goldwater to get behind Elliott on this."},{"start":77.18,"end":78.02,"text":"That's the way to do it."},{"start":78.04,"end":79,"text":"Will you do that now?"},{"start":79.03,"end":79.73,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":79.77,"end":82.17,"text":"Get a hold of every Republican and any Democrat that you can."},{"start":82.29,"end":85.89,"text":"Have Carl Iverson all hit Eastland."},{"start":86.39,"end":88.92,"text":"And we've got a few in Stennis, a few like that."},{"start":88.94,"end":90.14,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":90.16,"end":90.48,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":91.38,"end":91.92,"text":"Sure will."},{"start":91.94,"end":93.99,"text":"And just make it the first priority."},{"start":94.73,"end":97.59,"text":"Because we can win this thing, but we've just got to fight like hell."},{"start":97.87,"end":98.17,"text":"I know."},{"start":98.71,"end":99.55,"text":"Have dinner tonight."},{"start":99.97,"end":100.45,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":100.5,"end":101.44,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":101.48,"end":101.76,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":101.89,"end":104.1,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directs William Timmons to coordinate with Congressional leaders to consolidate support for Attorney General nominee Elliot Richardson’s authority regarding the Watergate investigation. Nixon emphasizes the need to convince key Republicans, such as Buckley and Goldwater, and influential Democrats that empowering Richardson to appoint a special prosecutor is preferable to restarting the entire investigative process. Timmons is instructed to make this lobbying effort his top priority to counter Senate pressure and ensure the continuity of the FBI’s existing progress.","topics":["Watergate","Special Prosecutor","Congressional Relations","Elliot L. Richardson","William E. 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