{"conversationCode":"045-193","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":193,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-193","startDateTime":"1973-05-10T19:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-10T19:26:00.000Z","startDate":"10-May-1973","startTime":"3:24 PM","endDate":"10-May-1973","endTime":"3:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On May 10, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 3:24 pm to 3:26 pm. 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(“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 435-16]\n\n     Watergate\n\f                                            -124-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 45-193 (cont’d)\n\n           -Haldeman’s preceding meeting\n           -Indictments\n                 -John N. Mitchell and Maurice H. Stans\n                       -Robert L. Vesco case\n                 -John D. Ehrlichman\n                 -John W. Dean, III\n           -Haldeman’s lawyers\n                 -Reaction to J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr.\n                 -Meeting with Buzhardt, Leonard Garment, and [Horace] Chapman\n(“Chappie”) Rose\n                       -David N. Parker\n                       -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s report to Haldeman\n                       -Attendees","filename":["045-193.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"045-192","nextCode":"045-194","transcript":[{"start":1.25,"end":2.21,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":3.97,"end":4.23,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.87,"end":5.69,"text":"You finished your deal?"},{"start":6.01,"end":7.63,"text":"We're just finishing up, yeah."},{"start":7.65,"end":9.42,"text":"Oh, I'm going to head over there in a few minutes."},{"start":9.72,"end":12.92,"text":"Well, I just don't see that you made your check yet."},{"start":12.94,"end":14.08,"text":"No, I haven't."},{"start":14.1,"end":15.44,"text":"I'm still over at the lawyer's office."},{"start":15.48,"end":16.02,"text":"Fine."},{"start":16.25,"end":18.59,"text":"Go on over and go right on up to the..."},{"start":18.61,"end":22.39,"text":"I understand they indicted Mitchell and Stans."},{"start":22.41,"end":22.83,"text":"Oh, did they?"},{"start":23.55,"end":24.39,"text":"BESCO, BESCO."},{"start":24.54,"end":25.11,"text":"I'll be darned."},{"start":25.14,"end":26.04,"text":"The New York grand jury."},{"start":26.7,"end":27.18,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":27.58,"end":27.98,"text":"But I..."},{"start":28.33,"end":34.08,"text":"I would assume they didn't entitle Gurlichman or anything else."},{"start":34.3,"end":36.56,"text":"I don't think Gurlichman was even a target on that."},{"start":36.58,"end":37.88,"text":"They should have invited a goddamn dean, though."},{"start":37.9,"end":38.46,"text":"That's a problem."},{"start":40,"end":40.24,"text":"Oh, well."},{"start":42.01,"end":42.15,"text":"Okay."},{"start":42.19,"end":43.11,"text":"How's it going with your lawyers?"},{"start":43.17,"end":43.47,"text":"Okay."},{"start":43.49,"end":43.75,"text":"Fine."},{"start":43.77,"end":45.71,"text":"Sure."},{"start":45.79,"end":49.72,"text":"You got them realizing we're trying to work with them now?"},{"start":49.74,"end":50.2,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":50.22,"end":51.88,"text":"Well, they have a lot."},{"start":51.9,"end":53.78,"text":"They don't mind buzzard, do they?"},{"start":54.34,"end":55.56,"text":"Well, it depends."},{"start":55.58,"end":56.88,"text":"I've got to talk to him and find out."},{"start":56.92,"end":64.39,"text":"If he reported the meeting to Haig as it was reported, then they do, because the report you got on that meeting was highly erroneous."},{"start":64.95,"end":65.61,"text":"Well, no."},{"start":65.63,"end":70,"text":"The report Haig gave me on the meeting, the point was, no, no, no, you can't bring Buzz up for that."},{"start":70.02,"end":72.12,"text":"He was only in it for the last 15 minutes."},{"start":72.14,"end":76.87,"text":"No, he was in it for the entire meeting, and Chappy Rose wasn't in it at all, and I was told Chappy Rose sat in the meeting."},{"start":78.37,"end":81.36,"text":"So we're getting some bullshit from somebody, and this..."},{"start":81.72,"end":85.27,"text":"This is what pisses me off with the chicken heads over there."},{"start":86.57,"end":88.69,"text":"Basically, you say Chappy was not in the meeting."},{"start":88.87,"end":92.06,"text":"Chappy Rose was not in the meeting at all unless he was under the rug."},{"start":93.52,"end":93.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":93.64,"end":97.58,"text":"And Buzzard was in the entire meeting."},{"start":97.94,"end":101.45,"text":"And so was Garment, and so was that little shit that follows Garment around kissing his ass."},{"start":102.13,"end":102.45,"text":"Parker, yeah."},{"start":103.25,"end":104.63,"text":"Okay, I'll get that to Hague."},{"start":104.65,"end":105.55,"text":"Okay, okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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