{"conversationCode":"045-196","tapeNumber":45,"conversationNumber":196,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-045-196","startDateTime":"1973-05-10T19:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-10T19:35:00.000Z","startDate":"10-May-1973","startTime":"3:34 PM","endDate":"10-May-1973","endTime":"3:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On May 10, 1973, Alexander M. Haig, Jr. and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 3:34 pm to 3:35 pm. 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Parker\n               -Information conveyed to Haig by Leonard Garment and Buzhardt","filename":["045-196.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Haig, Alexander M., Jr.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"045-195","nextCode":"045-197","transcript":[{"start":0.47,"end":4.36,"text":"General Haig calling you."},{"start":4.43,"end":5.82,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":6.46,"end":8.02,"text":"I talked to Bazzard."},{"start":8.06,"end":11.3,"text":"He said that that is correct, that they had been meeting together."},{"start":11.46,"end":15.25,"text":"When the two lawyers came, Chappie said, I want to go upstairs and I want to sit in this."},{"start":15.87,"end":17.57,"text":"He went up and they brought Parker in."},{"start":17.63,"end":19.07,"text":"There were three of them."},{"start":20.11,"end":24.36,"text":"Then as soon as the two lawyers left, Chappie came back and joined them."},{"start":24.38,"end":29.57,"text":"When they came over to me, they conveyed the impression that they had all been in on it."},{"start":29.75,"end":30.93,"text":"Didn't do it intentionally."},{"start":31.29,"end":32.85,"text":"They heard that Chappie was not in the meeting."},{"start":32.95,"end":33.85,"text":"No, he was not."},{"start":33.91,"end":37.26,"text":"Well, that's the only good thing that concerned Bob a little bit."},{"start":37.3,"end":37.58,"text":"Right."},{"start":37.8,"end":42.52,"text":"Now, I think there's little nerves here and mistrust should not be."},{"start":42.76,"end":44.55,"text":"I know, I know, because we know Chappie's honest."},{"start":44.91,"end":46.61,"text":"He's totally honest."},{"start":46.77,"end":51.55,"text":"I don't think Bob was in front of him, but he just thought that Garment had indicated that Chappie was there and Garment shouldn't have."},{"start":52.11,"end":57.88,"text":"Yeah, well, I, you know, you couldn't have drawn any other impression because they had a consensus view on this problem."},{"start":58.16,"end":61.97,"text":"Sure, sure, but he shouldn't have told you the chap he was on a meeting if he did tell you that."},{"start":61.99,"end":63.49,"text":"Well, I'm not even sure that he did."},{"start":63.59,"end":64.66,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":64.7,"end":67.84,"text":"They said that they conveyed that impression they didn't mean to."},{"start":67.95,"end":68.11,"text":"Okay."},{"start":68.51,"end":68.97,"text":"Right, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Alexander M. Haig, Jr. updates President Nixon on his discussions with J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. regarding recent legal meetings involving H.R. Haldeman’s counsel and Horace \"Chappie\" Rose. The conversation centers on clarifying Rose’s level of involvement in these meetings and addressing internal anxieties regarding potential misinformation conveyed by Leonard Garment. Nixon and Haig conclude by reaffirming their trust in Rose’s integrity while seeking to minimize staff tensions regarding the handling of sensitive information.","topics":["Watergate","J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr.","H.R. 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