{"conversationCode":"046-145","tapeNumber":46,"conversationNumber":145,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-046-145","startDateTime":"1973-05-22T16:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-22T16:38:00.000Z","startDate":"22-May-1973","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"22-May-1973","endTime":"12:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 12:35 pm to 12:38 pm. 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Timmons\n                 -Location\n                       Executive Office Building [EOB]\n                 -Meeting\n                       -Attendees\n                       -Timmons\n                       -James R. Schlesinger\n                             -Defense\n                       -Location\n                             -Bands\n                                   -Rehearsals\n                             -Cocktails\n                             -Blair House\n                 -Location and time\n                       -Veto vote","filename":["046-145.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"046-144","nextCode":"046-146","transcript":[{"start":0.52,"end":2.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.3,"end":5.87,"text":"You probably hadn't heard, but there is no bipartisan thing tonight."},{"start":6.35,"end":7.55,"text":"No bipartisan tonight?"},{"start":7.57,"end":8.21,"text":"Do you know about that?"},{"start":8.47,"end":8.97,"text":"No."},{"start":9.05,"end":11.89,"text":"By any event, it's at 6 o'clock."},{"start":12.15,"end":17.12,"text":"It's going to be at 6, and it's just the Republicans, and I don't know how many of them."},{"start":17.24,"end":20.91,"text":"So you can check it out with your men at a reasonable time."},{"start":20.95,"end":23.19,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":23.77,"end":27.47,"text":"Now, did you say that..."},{"start":29.41,"end":31.25,"text":"You do say that there were a lot of things going on at the house."},{"start":31.27,"end":32.88,"text":"It'd be best not to have something there."},{"start":33.44,"end":33.76,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":33.78,"end":34.78,"text":"I want to recheck that."},{"start":35.06,"end":36.43,"text":"I'd as sure not have it there."},{"start":36.49,"end":37.87,"text":"Why don't we just do it here in the EOP?"},{"start":38.37,"end":41.26,"text":"There's a group of about 20 people in it."},{"start":41.28,"end":42.2,"text":"I was just talking with Tim."},{"start":42.24,"end":42.86,"text":"20?"},{"start":43.3,"end":44.08,"text":"Who told you this?"},{"start":44.3,"end":44.72,"text":"For tonight?"},{"start":44.8,"end":45.46,"text":"Oh, I'm sorry."},{"start":45.5,"end":45.84,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":45.86,"end":47.12,"text":"I was talking about tomorrow's thing."},{"start":47.14,"end":47.66,"text":"Oh, oh."},{"start":47.72,"end":49.41,"text":"You see, there's another one tonight."},{"start":49.42,"end":49.78,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":49.87,"end":50.41,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":50.69,"end":54.21,"text":"This is just leaders, Republican leaders."},{"start":54.49,"end":55.23,"text":"Republican leaders."},{"start":55.27,"end":56.77,"text":"The group of 20 tomorrow."},{"start":57.25,"end":57.59,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":58.63,"end":59.88,"text":"That was something else."},{"start":59.9,"end":61.28,"text":"I thought that was... Well, I know."},{"start":61.36,"end":65.04,"text":"Well, the group of 20 tomorrow, I don't care where that's held."},{"start":65.64,"end":70.05,"text":"Why don't we... What Timmons wanted on that was a combination of..."},{"start":70.57,"end":78.78,"text":"more or less an informal stroke session, and then Schlesinger would give a little pitch on the defense budget, and then you could make some comments through them."},{"start":78.8,"end":82.57,"text":"Your point was that that should be in the..."},{"start":82.59,"end":84.91,"text":"Apparently there are going to be bands rehearsing and things like that."},{"start":85.03,"end":88.47,"text":"Bill thought it would be a very nice idea to be able to give these people some cocktails."},{"start":88.69,"end":90.52,"text":"Well, then have it in Blair House, then."},{"start":91.39,"end":94.13,"text":"We'll find an inappropriate spot."},{"start":94.15,"end":94.66,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":95,"end":97.14,"text":"I don't want to, if there are going to be bans and so forth."},{"start":97.18,"end":100.34,"text":"Let's stay the hell out of the White House tomorrow at all costs."},{"start":100.84,"end":101.98,"text":"Because I know that is right."},{"start":102,"end":103.28,"text":"They're getting right at fair."},{"start":103.3,"end":104.2,"text":"Is that clear?"},{"start":104.22,"end":104.6,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":104.88,"end":105.28,"text":"I understand."},{"start":105.36,"end":105.91,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":106.05,"end":107.31,"text":"And tonight in the EOB?"},{"start":107.87,"end":112.13,"text":"Tonight, I think if it's a meeting of eight or ten, an EOB is fine."},{"start":112.15,"end":112.69,"text":"All right, sir, fine."},{"start":112.71,"end":115.59,"text":"Okay, but that has to be at six because of what they have down there."},{"start":115.61,"end":116.91,"text":"Yes, they have a meeting of eight."},{"start":117.03,"end":120.12,"text":"All right, sir, thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen Bull coordinate logistics for two upcoming meetings with Congressional leaders, clarifying the separate schedules for a Republican-only session and a larger group meeting. Nixon explicitly instructs Bull to avoid hosting the larger event at the White House due to noise from scheduled band rehearsals, directing that it be moved to Blair House instead. They finalize plans to hold the smaller meeting that evening in the Executive Office Building.","topics":["Congressional relations","Scheduling","White House logistics","Defense budget","William E. 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