{"conversationCode":"046-162","tapeNumber":46,"conversationNumber":162,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-046-162","startDateTime":"1973-05-23T00:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-23T00:03:00.000Z","startDate":"22-May-1973","startTime":"8:02 PM","endDate":"22-May-1973","endTime":"8:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 8:02 pm to 8:03 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 046-162 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 46-162\n\nDate: May 22, 1973\nTime: 8:02 pm - 8:03 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n     Watergate\n          -Release of wiretap information on newsmen\n                -Congressional pressure\n                -Timing","filename":["046-162.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"046-161","nextCode":"046-163","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.99,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.01,"end":3.33,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.9,"end":7.82,"text":"It's one of your press people that you can really trust."},{"start":8.64,"end":10.66,"text":"This story, I want out tomorrow."},{"start":10.94,"end":17.09,"text":"Understand, the other one we talked about, that you must get out, Ron."},{"start":17.11,"end":18.11,"text":"You understand why?"},{"start":18.45,"end":19.15,"text":"Fine."},{"start":19.17,"end":32.6,"text":"This one should be, the president is under great pressure from various senators to release the content of the tapes on Newsmen and so forth that they had, and is going to do so Friday."},{"start":32.95,"end":33.4,"text":"All right."},{"start":33.58,"end":34.12,"text":"Get my pint."},{"start":34.82,"end":35.32,"text":"Get that out."},{"start":35.64,"end":36.4,"text":"All right."},{"start":36.42,"end":38.31,"text":"Do you have somebody you can get it to?"},{"start":38.51,"end":39.25,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":39.37,"end":39.67,"text":"All right."},{"start":39.93,"end":40.71,"text":"Get it out."},{"start":40.73,"end":41.81,"text":"Just let it ride."},{"start":42.09,"end":44.6,"text":"Okay, boy."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directed Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler to leak information regarding the administration's surveillance of journalists to the press. Nixon emphasized that the leak should frame the disclosure as a response to mounting pressure from senators demanding the release of wiretap records. Ziegler was instructed to disseminate this information immediately to control the narrative surrounding the ongoing Watergate investigations.","topics":["Watergate","Wiretapping","Press Relations","Media Leak","Congressional Pressure"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T07:35:34.501Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","wiretapping","press-relations","media-leak","congressional-pressure"],"audioDurationSec":50,"audioFiles":[{"file":"046-162.mp3","bytes":1615872,"durationSec":50.4,"bitrate":256487,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.713Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/046-162.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/046-162","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/46/conversation-046-162","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}