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Conversation 046-173

TapeTape 46StartWednesday, May 23, 1973 at 3:58 PMEndWednesday, May 23, 1973 at 4:01 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On May 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:58 pm to 4:01 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 046-173 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 46-173
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      (rev. January-2011)

Date: May 23, 1973
Time: 3:58 pm - 4:01 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See also Conversation No. 439-46]

     President’s schedule
           -Congressional leaders’ meeting
           -Press coverage

     Congressional relations
          -Sustaining veto
          -Elliot L. Richardson’s confirmation

     Watergate
          -Gerald Alch testimony before Ervin Committee
               -Relationship with James W. McCord, Jr.
               -Statement on McCord’s testimony
               -Ervin Committee hearings
               -Statement on McCord’s testimony
          -McCord’s activities
               -Compared with John W. Dean, III

     President’s schedule
           -Camp David
                 -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
                 -President’s forthcoming press briefing
                 -Press’s possible reaction
           -President’s mood
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Hello.
Yes, sir.
Hi, Ron.
I have to go over to Blair House, as you know, for a meeting with those Congressmen at 5 o'clock.
I'll be coming out about 6.
I hope you can keep the press, you know, at a reasonable distance.
I don't want to be assaulted when I come out.
No, no.
We'll handle that, sir.
You know, say, well, when are you going to do this or that?
Right.
And I think it'll be all right.
Don't you think so?
Yes, sir.
We had a good day on the Hill.
Oh, yeah, we won the veto, and Pat Richardson came through the committee, right?
That's right, yeah.
And Olch just destroyed McCord.
Was totally destroyed.
What did he say?
He's McCord's attorney.
Who is Olch?
Olch is the fellow who formerly represented McCord.
Oh, yeah, but not now.
No, and Olch just went line by line through McCord's testimony.
and just cut his throat and he referred to a book that the guard is already writing you know with chapter by chapter through the book and it and it just just totally destroyed him
And so we've got more confusion now within the third day of hearings.
There is direct, absolute conflict between Ulch and McCord on some of the key testimony.
What kind of stuff did Ulch destroy him on, Ron?
Just word, you know, almost paragraph by paragraph refuting what McCord had said.
On what issues?
On the issues primarily...
what he was told in certain settings regarding, you know, direction of the operation and those types of things.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
Well, anyway, there's a hell of a lot of lying going on, although we know that McCord is setting other people up just as he is.
Don't you think so?
Well, apparently so.
I mean, that's the...
I'm glad you came through.
I'm going to have a little chat with them.
After this thing tonight, Ron, so that you can know, I'm just going to take a quick trip to Camp David, mainly to get some thoughts together for the briefing tomorrow.
I haven't had a chance.
And we'll have, I think, Scowcroft is going to go along.
So that you can be sure to tell the President's going up to write us, work on his remarks for tomorrow.
Right.
Another reason I'm going is that
confusion in the White House right now with that party that I will get a good night's sleep and I need one right now.
Right.
Yes, sir.
That's okay.
Okay.
I don't want to think I'm up there lonely or anything.
No, I understand.
All right.
Thank you, Ron.
Thank you.
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